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The Carson Trial – Day 52 2nd Application for Stay Rejected

Reports from Hong Kong confirm that the second application made for a permanent stay in Carson Yeung’s long running money-laundering trial has been rejected.

Shai Oster reports for Bloomberg that Judge Douglas Yau Tak-hong told Carson that his trial was not prejudiced by the new evidence that came to light last week.

The prosecution will now continue with the cross-examination of Carson in the witness box with the trial now in its 52nd day.

Edit 0945 BST November 12

Information has been received that cross-examination of Carson Yeung has now been completed. Once I have details of what was asked in court and when the case has been adjourned until I will update this story.

Edit 0645 BST November 13

The case has been adjourned until December 12 for final submissions.

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88 Responses to “The Carson Trial – Day 52 2nd Application for Stay Rejected”

  • Blueboy88 says:

    Excellent News…….onwards & upwards..

  • Alan Harris says:

    That’s the best bit of news to come out of all this I can now see a little bit of light at the end of the tunnel

  • pipsy says:

    Brilliant news

  • peoples repubic of finlan says:

    great news I am just going to listen to fiesta by the pogues

  • RichieRichBCFC says:

    I can’t say I really understand what’s going on any more, I just hope this all gets sorted out soon; Carson has been in court way too long, either prosecute him or let him go.

  • KeeprightCroydON says:

    Not looking good for Carson. Looks like he last throw of the dice. However if there is a guilty verdict, this ruling will probably form part of his appeal.

    • zxcv says:

      I think this has been his and the defence strategy all along, imo they new the chances of walking was remote so they have done all they can to make a good basis for an appeal, I think its their best and only opportunity but its no good for bcfc unless their is good news on Friday.

  • uttb says:

    There’s a party going on right here!

  • The Francis Fake says:

    Great news. An important step forward. Lets hope the financial/share restructuring we are expecting provides further good news.

  • HK Phoey says:

    That’s the best news I’ve heard since this farcical trial started in what seems the longest of long, long roads for the club to have to endure. There does seem to be somewhat a glimmer of light at the end of the proverbial tunnel, albeit a small candle with a never ending wick!!!… KRO! !

  • carlos says:

    Almajir, great news, but I’ve totally lost track of where we are with the trial due to all these delaying tactics. Is CY still being questioned by the prosecution, or are we up to the summing up part? How long before the judge retires to consider his verdict?

    • zxcv says:

      Why don’t you just read his blog properly mate.

    • almajir says:

      Back to the cross examination. Hopefully that will have finished today.

      As written several times before, six weeks for final submissions, verdict should be due January/February

      • carlos says:

        Cheers Almajir, we’re finally approaching the end at last.

        • Andy W says:

          I actually think we still have a long way to go. There will potentially be no verdict until after the transfer window, which means very little will change until then. Too late to bring any ‘new investment’ in, and too late to stop any exits? Only the verdict itself will provide any future direction. If CY is found guilty, then he has to stand down. That doesn’t necessarily mean he can’t vicariously run the club through someone else? And if he is found innocent, he may decide he wants to keep everything exactly as it is in an effort to regain his investment? I think there is much more wheeling and dealing to be done before we can see any light at the end of the tunnel.

  • zxcv says:

    I think Carsons biggest mistake in this trial is his first appeal to get the case stopped. This judge must be sick to the back teeth with his consistent attempts to delay this case and it has now backfired on him, if this latest attempt was the first and only attempt I recon he may even have pulled it off, or had a better chance of doing so.

  • utbb says:

    do you think he still gains access to a wong and chu sandwich now n again?

  • DoctorD says:

    Glad the judge wasn’t taking any nonsense — the trial goes on, but the agony of a retrial has been avoided.

    If CY gets conviced, I am sure he’ll bring a family member in to run the show though.

  • Bluenosesol says:

    The fact that Carson persists in looking for technicalities to have the case thrown out would indicate his case is tenuous. I wander if the officer who originally charged him was wearing his police helmet??

  • StaffsBlue says:

    Judge Douglas Yau Tak-hong is a Bluenose. :-)

  • Frankie says:

    It has to be said that the Prosecution were somewhat ‘out of order’ to produce evidence at this stage of the trial.
    Personally, I think he’s as guilty as hell but due procedure should be followed and this does give him grounds for appeal, even with the paucity of evidence in his favour.
    Wouldn’t bother me if he ‘got off’ on appeal, as long as we can have him and his ‘cohorts’ out of our club for good !

    • chas says:

      Who would you prefer, Frankie, bearing in mind that the most successful Board we have ever had in MY lifetime was hated by a vocal percentage of our Fans?

    • Frankie says:

      Yes, it seems like Sullivan and Gold are deified in some areas and YES they did do some good for BCFC but a lot of it was self-serving also and they cashed in to the max when they saw a ‘patsy’ coming along. For that we are still paying.
      Do I think they were better than this lot … Even Good old Ken Wheldon was better than this lot.
      We need owners based in this country ideally, people who aren’t ‘chasing a dream’, realistic business people who are prepared for the ‘long run’ at St andrews.

      • StaffsBlue says:

        Sadly Frankie, the Jack Walkers and Dave Whelans of this world are very much in short supply these days. But we can hope.

      • chas says:

        Absolute tosh, Frankie, Ken Wheldon did nothing for Blues. Where did the Elmdon money go ? And you didn’t say who there, ‘Respectable business people ‘ are. It is so easy to come up with sound bites. The last Board were wonderful for us and no sneering will change that. By the way, I also did very well out of the Sales to CY, so I am not complaining. I have great memories of Wembley and great memories of all the good things that S& G Bros did .

        • Frankie says:

          Nope, Wheldon (Rust In Peace) was a shocker but nothing compared to this ‘lot’.
          Can’t share your ‘rose tinteds’ either as regards the Cockney Shysters, who were in it for themselves and we did Ok as a resultt.
          Think Wet Spam will take a view also when they see where the proceeds of the sale of Upton Park goes.
          They were businessmen and not philanthropists, don’t confuse the two !

          • chas says:

            I don’t confuse the two , Frankie, but to say Wheldon was better for us is way off course. He sold Elmdon, left us without a Training ground and no-one knew where the money went. He even had the brass neck to pretend that Branson was going to take over Blues. Saying that, we were in desperate straits thanks to others before him. Nice to see you not blaming the Kumars tho.

  • Lee says:

    Yes, send him down

  • gloria says:

    ty i didnt notice date but all over net works thats she pos new owner just wanted to know if she was carson ex like he said

  • Quokkasskip says:

    6 weeks for final summing up. Hopefully he is banged up for a happy new year!

  • dave mann says:

    great news, but were still 2/3 months away from any verdict so not getting to ” exited”
    about it, lets hope new year new owners new players new era. KRO.

  • Lee says:

    Quality, get him sent down, how good would it be to see his face when he gets sent down, can’t wait to get him gone

  • Bradley says:

    Hopefully this will all be put to bed by March, I’m still intrigued to see what happens if he gets off!

    Will he stay? Will he sell?

    Also, I’m personally gutted that we don’t have a home game through the Crimbo period, I’m only back once a year and not that keen on a trip up to Ewood Park.

  • Tony says:

    As I said yesterday application would be rejected and trial would continue, another couple of months he will be found guilty, then appeal thats another year.

  • Tom says:

    I can’t believe the HK legal system is so slow and toothless that they haven’t sped along Carson’s defense, when it has been laughable. Good news overall I’d say

  • ...sappy sad says:

    ……….good news ,….its a pity carson as soured a lot of minds against Chinese as I thought as soon ,…as carson left Pollyanna chu would move in and use her womens drive and billionaire prowess to make this club her new and greatest challenge for a woman..she has 14% of shares anyway.if she don’t make a bid I hope she keeps her shares

  • zxcv says:

    almajir, As the trial is coming to and end (other than the summing up) I would just like to express my gratitude to you during the whole of the 52 days its lasted so far. Your reporting of it has been first class, unbiased, and has been reliable. It must be very hard at times to keep everyone happy but this site and you have made it our first place or source of information on this case, Thanks very much for ALL your efforts mate. Fellow bluenose. zxcv

  • phil says:

    I don’t get the people on here who just want Carson Yeung locked up and have the key thrown away.
    Yes he’s made mistakes, yes he may be guilty. Or maybe not.
    Do you think there is no corruption in the Far East? Maybe he isn’t the corrupt one?
    At least let him be found guilty or not guilty before you decide to lynch the bloke.
    To me, I think he really did want to bring success to Blues. However, he has failed and should move on. No I don’t agree with him holding onto us whilst the club collapses all around but I also would like to know if he is found guilty before I express any joy at his demise and frankly, I won’t do that anyway.
    KRO

    • BewdleyBlue says:

      I for one want to see this man go down and I want him as far away from our Club as possible, he has been nothing but a joke, one would hope that his jailing would lead to a chance of new ownership, I just cant see him letting go though, he seems anxious only to deal with other far eastern consortiums which would suggest that he would still maintain control albeit not in his name.

      The fact that he is alledged to have several dealing with Triads also shows what kind of pool this man swims in, I fear we have lost the club forever.

    • chas says:

      A sensible post at last.

    • Frankie says:

      Think hes guilty alright but not wanting retribution for the position we are in, although a lot of it is down to him.
      He is naive and there for the taking as Sullivan quickly assessed.
      I am not anxious to see him in the Chokey, just want him and Pannu out of St Andrews.

  • Will says:

    Is it the begining of the end or the end of the begining?

  • Alex T says:

    Most people seem to think that Carson will be able to appeal based on this late submission of evidence. I disagree.

    The judge has deliberated this over this for 2 or 3 days. He has decided that it wont effect the outcome of the trial. I do not think there is case for appeal if something has been so carefully considered. It would be like the appeal court saying that, even though the Judge new about the late submission, took good time to review the evidence and made a judgement with sound mind and evidence they STILL think he may be wrong. Unless the apeal courts are in the habit of undermining thier judges I dont think this will pass. As far as I know, you can only appeal if there is new physical evidence or evidence that the trial has stepped out of due process (without due consideration)

    • carlos says:

      I agree, I think the judge has bent over backwards to ensure Yeung has been given a fair trial, its been obvious all along that the defence has been pushing it’s luck in the hope of having grounds to appeal.

  • Gianni says:

    GET IN THERE!!! 6 POINTER!!!

  • Steve Aerobic says:

    I just dont understand everyones clamouring to “send him down” I just dont understand the mentality because as yet nothing has been proven against him. Obviously if he is found guilty then it is a dfifferent thing. I have heard some really bad things on here regarding peoples wishes against him,in one memorable post someone suggested that sexual crimes be carried out against him in prison…..I personally think its disgusting and think that comments should be kept at a sensible level. You often see rantings like this made about suspected sex offenders etc, the bloke hasnt been proven to have done anything wrong yet.

  • dave mann says:

    i also agree on the fact i just want him out so we can rebuild again, what becomes of him is
    not my concern either……if only we could go back to feb 2011 after we had won the carling cup
    and stayed up and carson was a honourable man….how diffrent things could have been now…
    it makes you think… if only!!!!KRO

  • jf7red says:

    From what I have read and understood, the closer we get to a verdict of any kind, the better it is for all concerned. For a long time, CY and the club have been shrouded in uncertainty and as we all know, this leads to conjecture, rumours, anxiety and all sorts of people claiming to have insider knowledge to stir up the already busy hornets nest.

    A verdict which sees CY as guilty means the FA will need to act. If he is innocent, well, he can continue his lucky run on the penny stocks and casinos and continue to fund the club at levels previously seen. He may even use the investors that he has been schmoozing over the last few months. I am sure that none of us will mind continued Chinese investment if it is clean, honest and in the best interests of the club.

    I for one have grown very tired of this court case and its conclusion cannot come soon enough. As long as we remain in the Championship this year, we can build next year and so on.

    KRO fellow bluenoses !!

  • The Francis Fake says:

    I don’t wish to defend CY but lets get some facts right. On the plus side. He is a genuine football. He spent more on transfers and wages than any other owner prior to the asset freeze. He took to us to the highest position in the league for years. He won us the Carling Cup. He remortgaged his his to to invest in Blues. He hasn’t deliberately asset stripped the club. On the negative side. He made his money from very dubious and uncertain background. The management of the companies in the group has been shambolic and amateurish. He put in place a regime which didn’t even have the nouse to include relegation clauses in some players contracts. Due to his dodgy background his personal circumstances have put Blues into a downward spiral which hasn’t yet ended. He doesn’t communicate to the fans. He is dragging down the reputation of the club which will be even more besmirched if he is convicted. Ultimately, whenever he does go the club will be in a worse position than when he took over.

    • Mac says:

      I agree.

      The road to hell is paved with good intentions! I’m sure of all the owners we’ve had over the last 50 years, no-one has loved football as much as him. I’m sure he wanted the best possible for Blues when he bought the club. The problem is he’s mad a spectacular mess of it and we’re now deep in trouble. His lack of business acumen has been found out and he’s been taken advantage of by most people he’s been involved with

      • zxcv says:

        I agree with this totally, Mac, I really want the best of both worlds tbh my brain saying,to see the back of all of them, but at the same time my heart is saying I hope (if found guilty) he gets the most lenient sentence the judge can give.. I wish him no harm his crime (again if guilty) is not borne out of greed imo its sounds to me like pure stupidity if anything.

        • chas says:

          Three very sensible posts here..My faith in Blues Fans is starting to grow green shoots again.. Just wait till the likes of Lee spray weedkiller on them.

    • jazzzy786 says:

      The most successful board in my lifetime is this one as its the only one that has actually won something. Carson has brought this club to its knees by using money he didn’t have. Whether any money he invested was dodgy or not is open for debate but the last board wouldn’t spend money despite having it. While I’ll be glad to see the back of CY, PP and BIHL it needs to be tempered somewhat that if Carson’s money hadn’t been frozen then he’d have continued to fund us. I hear the chant he don’t care about us but in truth did Sully/Gold, Kumars, Wheldon, Coombes etc care about us. The club is just a business to them.

  • dave mann says:

    the facts = won our first proper major trophy in our history.
    finished 9th in the premiership, the best in our history.
    got relegated with a cup winning team.
    worst home crowds in living memory
    propably the cheapest team ever assembled.
    two managers leave to go to vile and norwich.
    those are the facts under carson yeung, statisticly the best owner weve ever had?
    propably the worst owner weve ever had?…. the best to start with, the worst to finish with.KRO.

  • Chris W says:

    Not looking good for CY now and can be good news for BCFC.
    We still need a guilty verdict to force CY to relinquish his hold on the club, but with the stay being rejected I think the judge has come to a mindset, though he still has to trawl though the evidence, that CY is guilty.
    As usual you are first with the news and accurate too, et you will be bored when the tial has concluded, though maybe not, after all this is BCFC and rarely a dull moment.
    Well done for all your updates and look forward to day 52’s update too.
    Is the end is sight….?
    KRO+DNM

  • Tony says:

    He is a naive fool but he brought us glory, as for alleged triad dealings they are just that alleged and should be ignored unless they can be proven as fact.

  • Sadly this whole saga is just proving modern day football is just all about money. Carson I believe had a dream for blues in creating a network in china and gaining players and investment he as the very brief in sight into his life took a massive gamble investing in blues. We have seem from the evidence given he is prone to gamble the zidic signing in deed is a case in point. I for one when Chinese owners we’re announced was excited and thought we counld at last compete with the big boys. But it’s cultural you cannot force football into a culture and make money. Imagine someone over here investing in American football and hoping to get the country into it, it’s never going to happen.

    I hope we see an end to this in the new year and we get local owners who invest in youth hold onto new players and create a good business.

    I hope Carson gets a fair result on the evidence given at the end of the day his gamble didn’t pay off in blues.

  • Steve-0 says:

    Now that’s out the way, let the sale begin. I assume Paladini will have some official communication with his efforts to buy us. Although the news that CY has converted debt into equity could mean more suitors could be out there. The next few weeks are going to be interesting. Let’s hope we can get a decent squad together for a push next year and a decent manager to boot.

  • ray says:

    I’d just like to point out to Dave Mann that I believe we finished 6th in 1956, the same year that Alex Govan was caught by the fans singing “keep right on the the end of the road” on the team coach and that tradition began. To be fair to Dave though, I don’t suppose he’s as old as me. I’m 71. I also saw my first match at St Andrews in December 1954 when we beat Liverpool Liver pool 9-1 in the old Division 2. Still keeping right on!

  • dave mann says:

    just for the facts ray i did say the premiership not the first division, i know we finished 6th in 1956
    KRO.

  • ray says:

    I take your point, Dave, about the change of title for the top division.

    On the current mess, I think we almost became a car park under the Kumar ownership, so maybe we’re slightly better off this time? KRO anyway!

    • chas says:

      Ray, you should know better.. It was under Wheldon we mnearly became a Car Park. The Kumars kept us afloat long enough to attract Karen Brady’s attention.

  • ray says:

    Chas, my apologies. I actually thought it was them. I stand corrected. Obviously the dogs of memory were chasing the wrong rabbit!


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