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The Carson Trial – The Verdict Part 1
Carson Yeung and Birmingham City fans will have to wait until Monday March 3 at least to find out the verdict in his long running money laundering trial.
As is the norm in Hong Kong, Judge Douglas Yau Tak-hong is reading his judgement in full to the court before pronouncing his verdict. The judgement, which runs to 112 pages outlines the evidence as the judge saw it, and will then go into the judge’s interpretation of the law and case-law before giving his reasons as to the verdict he has concluded with.
Carson looked stoic on arrival but one could see the strain on his face and at times he looked almost catatonic in the dock as the judgement was translated for him.
All four BCFC directors were in the courtroom at one point; a snappily dressed Peter Pannu only stayed for around 15 minutes in his royal blue blazer with white elbow patches. Panos Pavlakis, Victor Ma Shui-cheong and Ryan Yeung Tsz-tsung were all in attendance along with the new BIH chairman Cheung Shing who appeared to be having trouble keeping his eyes open during the afternoon session.
The verdict will continue to be heard on Monday morning; although neither John Reading nor his junior will be present for the prosecution their third barrister Ms Liang is considered sufficent to allow the verdict to resume at 9:30am
Tags: Cheung Shing, Panagiotis Pavlakis, Peter Pannu, Ryan Yeung, The Trial, Victor Ma Shui Cheong
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I beleive this is normal in HK is i not ??
And thanks for keeping us informed Dan.
KRO.
I’m sure Mr Shing suffers similar problems (i.e. unable to keep his eyes open) during BIHL board meetings when Mr Pannu reiterates to them for the umpteenth time what a fantastic job he has done. Speaking of BIHL board meetings, wasn’t there supposed to be one today to approve the latest accounts?
Dan could I ask what your gut feeling is here or is it too close to call?
I am a Carson supporter and hope he walks but if not then so be it.
As I keep saying (and people keep ignoring) I cannot comment on guilt/innocence as the case is sub judice.
OK thanks
Yes thanks Dan. I look forward to the day when it’s only football matters that occupy this site, not legal ones. KRO
Ray that’s the best comment on here for a long time, well done
We’ve waited this long, we can wait another few days.
A truly shambolic justice system that needs overhauling from top to bottom,totally out of touch with the modern world we live in today (the amount of time to get to this point will tell you that)…tin pot….pannu sounded like he looked a right knob…
A bit OTT Mickey?
Why is it truly shambolic ? Have you noticed how long the Hacking Trial has been going on ? Calm down.
Mickey,
Spend a morning at Bham Crown Courts before making such a comment. No need to get there before 10:30 for trials but 10:30 will get you sentencing, mentions and plea and case management
Alfred Hitchcock the master of suspense, couldn’t have scripted this trial and verdict with greater melodrama.
Which is presumably why Dan is writing a book about it.
A least Carson will get a good night sleep over the weekend…………..
Daniel will you still be there on Monday???
Yup
Think so? Would you knowing this might be the last time you sleep in your own bed for years.
I bet he’s crapping himself.
Who really cares how he sleeps? I hope he’s having feckin nightmares.
Wonder how long it will be before this is picked by a Hollywood Director and turned into a movie. Then again maybe that is the direction BIHL will take next to get their share price back up lol
Carson could be played from Chow from the Hangover movies, that’d be hilarious
Daniel has the judge got to read the 112 pgs documentation word for word???
yes
Daniel, do you ever get tired of repeating the same answers time after time ? :-)
Sometimes ;)
chas just making sure he not falling asleep on the job :-0
Interesting that the BIHL comedy directors were in court for the verdict session. Were any present in the previous proceedings?
Thanks Dan for your reporting and information on this on going saga, seems to have been ongoing longer than the Archers.
PP sounded well overdressed and have to say your updates on the events certainly keep us awake and aware on things said, maybe chairman Cheung Shing should stick to reading OP.
As par for the course, another delay, surely the judge knew he couldn’t get it all read and dusted in one day so why have a Friday to begin his closing speeches.
It has taken so long and had many adjournments it was only going to drag out, even after Monday I doubt it will end with appeals being lodged from whoever loses.
I assume you will still be reporting from Hong Kong on Monday.
Good to see Pannu popping in to show off his hip fashion sense. What does that guy actually do with his time?
What are all you Carson haters going to do when he gets off Scot free ????
We don’t care about Carson
He don’t care about us!
It’s nothing to do with a personal hatred to CY. It is about the mess he and his cronies have made of our club – can’t you and the deluded minority see that? If he gets off, which I can’t see then he will have still made a mess of our club. Whichever was he has taken the club backwards.
Yes taken the club backwards via Wembley and Europe.
Things we would have sold a kidney for in the past.
Carson I salute you
From the premier, league cup win and Europe to the lower reaches of the Championship without a pot to p*ss in just 3 years later…. you can’t get much more backwards than that.
‘Gets off’ suggests he guilty but it was not proven. Do you mean ‘innocent’
Blue blazer with yellow patches? Really?
Read it again, it says White Patches and Royal Blue Blazer..they are our Colours , you know..:-)
Oh well…. that proves he cares after all then.
pete and he got a BCFC number plate…………….
Has he got a red nose and oversized shoes yet though?
it was good to see Carson had the full backing of the directors i wonder if they possibly assumed a verdict would happen yesterday Daniel……or was that wishful thinking by HK court standards?/
Perhaps they were there to make sure he has eventually been sent down!
slightly off topic Daniel Will Packwood got a USA call up brilliant news…………….hey
How far into the 112 page document did they get today Daniel? Is it likely to be Monday now or Tuesday?
46 pages. Should be monday afternoon
Dan this is not asking you to provide an opinion on guilt or innocence, but what have the judges points been in his readings so far. Do THEY sound in favour or against at this point? Hopefully this is a question you feel appropriate to respond to.
Thanks
Mate, you can twist it to say what you like but it’s still sub judice. It’s not me being awkward, it’s media law.
Whilst I remain interested in Yeung’s verdict, the club is already set to operate without him.
I’m looking forward to more people buying stakes in Blues and BIHL.
Good luck to Yeung, he still could habour good intentions for bcfc.
Is Paul Carter Peter Pannu?
I’ll be glad when its over and all these moaners about CY, PP, Clark etc etc can concentrate their energies on supporting the team. In 10 years this will be long forgotten, but the memory of seeing BCFC at Wembley, winning a proper trophy will remain forever.
Exactly.
We’ve been in the shite plenty of times before, been skint, had shit owners. What we didn’t have alongside that was a cup win against a top 4 club and a European campaign.
The know alls ought to remember that.
Good luck Carson.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a lover of Carson…or a hater for that matter. I just think he rolled the dice and it didn’t pay off. He was then stopped by the Chinese authorities to help or have any impact on BCFC.
Football clubs change over the years, unless you’re a massive club and even then it isn’t certain- look at Arsenal, Spurs, Everton etc i’m sure their fans would have loved a glory day out in London.Success in 2011winning the cup actually made people unrealistic in what they expect from BCFC. A team full of internationals, fighting for Champions league places and honours? There is no pleasing some.
I for one am just pleased I can say we won something proper (Auto windscreens aside) I was their and that as a BCFC supporter, a dream actually became reality.
Keep right on everyone
do you live by mr mcliesh as he lives in welford !!
So that gives BIHL the right to slowly destroy the club?
Yeah ….. Carson for President, we love Carson, without him blah,blah, blah ….. UTTER MUPPETS!
chairman will do
Grown up comment Drew….. Wouldn’t it be so much better if we had an owner like the Cardiff owner.. doh, sorry the Hull owner… doh doh….or mayb Leeds??? and then again Pompey… I’ll say it again be really really careful what you wish for. KRO
probably most of them on here will be gone in 10 years………….what a memory holding on to that cup………those Europa days…………how wonderful life was…………no gain without pain……….
Thanks mark.. Rub it in why don’t you..I cant help being old .:-(
take it as tongue in cheek chas ;))
Yeah like we all forgot about The Kumars and Ken Wheldon. CY is part of our history now.
Make that Ken Whelan see I forgot but am old!
Dan, will you still be there on Monday?
He answered that same question at 9.59am. Yup. :)
Dan’s got himself a new secretary.What does he make you wear Staffs? :)
Royal blue keks with white patches on the arse cheeks. :))
Was Pannu wearing Bham City colours to play to the media ?
Carson in Black……an omen ?
Angela Merkel was in royal blue yesterday …
Excellent work Dan………..KRO
Seeing as how “Daniel” likes his music, remember that “Irish singer who won “Eurovision” with “Whats Another Day Or Two” !, seems to me that sums it up
Johnny Logan?
I wonder how he wore the elbows out of that jacket? At a £1m pa I’d get a new one!
Did it take a full day in court for this judge to read 46 pages, what his he ten years old? Its a f*cking farce this system and reminds me exactly like the people who run bihl with deadlines and delays their a joke. Surely you just read the verdict guilty/not guilty and maybe add few sentences as to why afterwards not a 3day sitting explaining how you got to the verdict, thats what the judge has two months to get to a verdict. Once you mentioned the chance of a delay yesterday dan it was inevitable, lets hope he speeds up his reading next week or maybe give it someone who can!!!!!!!!!!
Bluenoseb
I’ve got it right here. 486 typewritten paragraphs. I’d be pushed to read it as quick as the judge did, in truth – and don’t forget, it’s being translated into Cantonese for Carson. The judge has to wait for the translator at times.
As for your other comments, no, you have it wrong. Here they have to read into the record how they reached their judgement – in order to make sure they got it right and so that the case isn’t thrown out immediately in a court of appeal. I know people want to know – I bet Carson does too but you’re going to have to be patient.
Fair enough dan cheers for the break down, and trust it to be carsons luck they got called in on a fri if it was a monday they’d be back in tomorrow. In truth patience dealing with this lot at BIHLand people over that side of the world is a major understatement, going on all the setbacks/delays/adjournments/run over court time/illnesses/verdict time/’national holidays’. You name it this court case has had it, o well we’ve waited 3 years for this decision a couple days shouldn’t really matter in sealing his fate.
On another note bet your praying they dont run out of court time this time dan, after hearing you podcast with regards to your book, would but a right spanner in the works with your 7th of march date wouldnt it?
bluenoseb — the wheels of justice do unfortunately run slow. But there is a reason for doing these things slowly and deliberately, which is to ensure a fair trial — and even in the UK the IRA Hyde Park bomb prosecution had to be abaondened earlier this week due to a legal cockup so you can see the importance of doing things properly.
absolutely DoctorD
I’ll manage mate
The wheels of justice run slower and slower as you reach the summit because if you trip up then the descent is faster
Hi Dan thanks for the update agatn, do you think as nothing will really change if he gets sentenced anyway, and he won’t fail a fit and proper test because he’s handed things over to other directors.
Would it be more beneficial to BCFC if he walked free?
Hi having similar thoughts to philanza – surely it would be better for blues if he was found innocent? Given that point of appeal Carson has which, if argued successfully, would result in a retrial and this whole thing being repeated. Might be wrong, thanks for the updates anyway dan.
If Carson is found not guilty, the prosecution can (and probably will) appeal
the time this is taking is painfull
my question is does the hk goverment sieze his shares if he is found guilty or do we go through the pain of more law
Answered this before, does no one read what I write?
Yes, the government can confiscate his assets BUT any confiscation order would be held in abeyance until the appeal process is exhausted
Worse scenario CY found guilty .CY appeals ,HK authorities confiscate his shares preventing BIHL from selling the club without agreement of HK authorities.
Appeal process drags on for another 2 years. Blues in limbo tumbling out of the leagues and BIHL liquidate or go into administration.
Chudit
For the second time in these comments, any confiscation order would be held in abeyance until the appeal process is finished.
Regardless of opinions for or against C.Y every man is entitled to their day in court.We are extremly lucky that someone has taken the time and trouble to keep supporters like us up to date, within the confines of sub judice. When you think that this matter is being tried the other side of the world.
dont tell me off lol i am not always on the network ty for the answer
i have said b4 this site our only source of information from the horses mouth of which i am very gratefull i just dont read the sight all the time )
I can see it yet, as the old judge finish,s his summing up asks the prisoner.
Prisoner at at the bar, before I pass sentence have you anything to say ?
Bugger all “MLud”
What did he say Mr Recorder ?
Bugger all M,Lud
S, funny I could have sworn I saw his lips move
That’s the best laugh I have had all day.and I don’t care if it is an oldie, like me, they are the best.
Daniel can carson get a suspended sentence????
In your Mail story you say the judge is explaining the reason for the sentence. You have made friends there with people in high places -:)
cant CY just read it himself? , after all hes the one who really needs to know , come to think of it he already knows if hes guilty or not , cant he just tell everyone and then Dan can go shopping on Monday instead.
Dan, I bet over the last couple of years with everything that has gone on with the court case, BIHL,travelling and looking into new owners, your book and this blog, you’ve learnt an awful lot and must be totally knackered
KRO
I am mate. :)
You say above in the blog it will be Monday at least! as it has got this far is there room for it to run over to another day as previously didn’t the judge have to consult diaries
It was poor of the court not to schedule more than one day for it
no surprise the verdict has been put back, its just another set back after another, I wouldn’t be surprised if it is delayed longer
i think i might have a bet with betvictor on monday………….you never know
If you know so much about justice in Hong Kong and you open your report with ‘as is the norm’, why didn’t you manage supporter expectations and say before that the judge would have to read out his report word for word thereby likely delaying dissemination of the definitive verdict? Truth is your a layman who Googles everything you ‘report’.
Why didn’t I say anything beforehand?
Well, I was informed by a couple of barristers and solicitors here in Hong Kong that the old system was indeed for the Judge to read out the full judgement. However, new practice direction would be for them to give a verdict, hand down the judgement to the counsels to read and to re-convene after a suitable period – say at lunch to see if they had any questions. I (along with many other press people here it has to be said) assumed that we were going to see that direction put in place but it appears this judge wanted everything read into the record – which isn’t out of the ordinary bearing in mind how careful he has been throughout the whole trial.
Whilst I am a layman and I will certainly profess my knowledge of law is pretty minimal here, I would point out that I am also careful and I source my knowledge about the law here from various individuals, including my business partner here in HK who has practiced as a solicitor here for 24 years.
I would suggest that if you are unhappy with what I write, then not to read it.
PS – I also cautioned about delays the night before the verdict :)
Ok cool Dan. As I hope you can appreciate it’s very frustrating for us fans but I appreciate the work you do. Just wanted a bit of a warning beforehand like you have warned about the appeal process.
Talk about shoot the messenger………well done daniel for keeping a level head….
For those who just waste time here and do not do their diligent work, listen up. I did a lot of digging and found out that the Money Laundering law differs from our law in the UK. After 1997, HK refused to follow the UK House of Lords decision in R v Montila. In the UK a crime need to be proven and thereafter a person is guilty of handling the proceeds from the crime. eg… drug dealing or terrorism or so on. In HK it is different as anyone with a lot of money could be targeted and asked to explain how he got his money from “0”. These may require explanations dating back 30 or 40 years depending on the age of the person and how long it too him to accumulate the wealth.
Failure to explain to the satisfaction of the judge would mean it is deemed that the money is from criminal offence (indictable offences). This is how bad the law is.
The tax law requires you to keep record only for the last 7 years in Hk and many common wealth countries but this charge requires you to produce documents no matter how long back it goes and carson cannot do so.
We can love him or hate him…. he gave us some glory.
For me Pannu is the super star. He kept us alive and going and showed tremendous loyalty to Carson. These days no one is loyal to no one….
He is also loyal to us fans
Thank you Pannu
Blowing your own trumpet again Peter?
You’ve never been loyal to the fans, your only here for the money.
Thanks Mrs Pannu.
Hong Kong based ip? :-)