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Half and Half
The Daily Mail reported this evening that Birmingham City were considering extending Nikola Zigic’s contract at Blues. The Serbian striker, who is contracted to Blues until June 2014 is on a reported £60,000 a week this season and the idea would be to halve his salary this year but keep him on next season as well, to try to reduce this year’s commitments.
It’s not the first time I’ve heard the idea. Bizarrely, the exact same principle was discussed between Andy (who runs smallheathalliance.com) and myself only last week. The idea, as Andy put it forward, would be to play on the fact that Zigic is settled here and to offer him the security of another year playing time at a decent salary whilst reducing current outgoings. It wouldn’t mean Blues saved any money in the long term but it would definitely help the ongoing cashflow issue that is restricting player wages offered this summer.
I must admit that I personally am conflicted by the idea. Zigic is a player who divides fans and I can see many being unhappy with the thought of him being at the club for another season. Whilst his wages are massive the bright spot on the horizon is that at the end of the season they are finished and the amount left to pay him is rapidly reducing. Extending our commitment to the Serb just kicks the can down the road a bit further and thus extends the amount of time we’re going to be paying him.
There is of course also the small matter of whether Zigic would even go for the idea – essentially, it’s happily taking a 50% pay cut for the promise of another year which he could potentially secure somewhere else. However, at 32 (33 in September), Zigic must have an idea that he will find it difficult to command anything like the money he is on next season. Outside the big teams it seems harder for players to get any kind of security and bearing in mind he is settled in the city I should think the temptation would be there to take a deal like that and continue being a big fish in a little pond.
From a purely numbers point of view, I can definitely see the attraction. £60,000 a week equates to more than £3million a year so if that can be offset across two years that’s a million and a half less the club is paying out this season – which could be as much as 5% of the turnover of the club this year. That would represent a significant cost saving during this year and I guess the hope would be that by the time the second year rolls around the club will have been sold and it would be in a better position to deal with the other half of the money.
There are no quotes within the story from the club to suggest any veracity, and one must therefore take it with a pinch of salt that the club have indeed considered this. However, I think it’s an interesting proposal and one that deserves some consideration.
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£30, 00 a week would bring Zigic into the wage structure of all premier clubs and maybe ten or so at Championship level in England, let alone those smaller clubs on the continent . At £30 a week someone would take a gamble on him which means that regardless of whether he likes the area or not the club would sell him to the highest bidder (less security for Zigic).
He would be a fool to consider any such offer, imagine where he and his family could end up!!
the thing is would they offer a 33 year old with a poor injury record that much money
Remember Steve Bruce, Alex McCleish?
And with a poor discipline record too…
The club can’t sell him if he refuses to move, which we are likely to see withat least one of Mullins, Ambrose, Lovenkrands and King, who the club wants to move on for free.
Also, if he agreed to this contract change i’m sure he would ask for a clause along the lines that they wouldn’t force him out.
It would even be worthwhile offering him £40k this year with a £30k deal for next year which would still only equate to £10k per week (£500k for the extra year). This would still save the club from paying out £1million this year. As said by others it would be easier to move him on for the second year.
Easier to move on a then 34 year old on £40k per week? I get your point, but I think keeping this burden doing another year to save £20k per week at a total increase in wages of £1m not including Nat Ins and other contributions is maddness. Name one prem club out there, for example, who would pay £40k per week for Zigic and with a contract which will be a year or two….???
I dont think it would be sensible to increase the pay on aggregate a higher amount, but if paying half this year and half next is offered oit seems a no brainer. You are getting a extra year for free, as we are commited to the £60k per week anyway, but this way this just makes cash flow easier and saves a signing on fee for a new striker next season to replace him. I can’t see what is in it for him though. Unless we increase his agrregate pay, he can leave at the end of the year and still get something (e.g. £3k per week somewhere).
Jesus Wept
It’s come down to this has it ?
AJ – you provide brilliant reportage and research on Carson’s trial; BIHL complexities etc
Why haven’t you done your “forensic accountancy” to Ziggie’s wages ?
Why just go along with the “assumed” wages eh?
At this rate we will have Ziggie on £90- 100k a week, as each blogger tries ti out-blog another.!
Ziggie MAY be our highest paid player
Ziggie MAY be on higher wages than Curtis
Ziggie MAY be already on £20lK or even £25k per wek or month
How do you know this?
It’s all very good to hide behind other people’s comments..as you do so often.
Can you SUBSTANTIATE Ziggies wages ?
Thought not…just go wiith the anti-Blues flow mate.
Can’t prove anything, except that Carson is on Trial.
Letsby
Are you seriously suggesting that Zigic isn’t the highest paid player on the books?
Do you think newspapers would be allowed to continually (as in for the last three years) print Ziggy’s wages if they weren’t in the ballpark.
As it happens, I actually DO know what I’m talking about here (as I usually do) – mainly cos like any good journo, I’ve done my background and my research and I’ve spoken to people who know – that, you have to take on trust cos I’m certainly not risking my contacts by letting some unknown on the internet know who they are.
I think you’re losing your grip.
Letsby- firstly, may I say you are entitled to an opinion of course, but you seem like you are trying to be disparaging for the sake of it. Everybody and their dog knows Zigic is our biggest earner and within a couple of grand what he earns per week. Has he or an agent ever dennied the continued banding around of his wages, which puts him in a bad light in manys eyes?
For some reason you seem hell bent on trying to be a WUM. Why, when nobody would think you are making a logicala point… Your rights though I guess.
Letsby – what planet are you on?
Your comments are child like and mis-guided, where on earth did you get;
“It’s all very good to hide behind other people’s comments..as you do so often”
Start taking your pills again, or please refrain from posting complete and utter tosh
Why do you come on this blog? Just to abuse the blogger. Doesn’t make sense to me. If you get so wound up by the blog then just remove it from your favourites. Your self imposed stress will likely lead you to an early grave.
Whatever a person’s views, there is never any excuse for personal attacks.
If it were me I’d stick to my current contract. I’d be thinking that I’d be more marketable as a 33y/o than I would as a 34y/o. I could still pick up my £60k for this year and then look to move to a team in the US or China that would still pay me big bucks.
I just wish people would stop blaming Ziggy for this situation, the fault is blindingly obvious with PP/CY as I’ve said many times before. What a lunatic contract they approved! But if it were you or me we’d be very happy and anyone that tells you they’d give up a golden contract like this is a liar.
Agent, just how is it Pannu’s fault ?
Chas
Pannu did the deal with no relegation clause
Is that right tho, Dan ? I have seen it a few times that it was the English Bloke who was sacked(sorry, never been any good at names)who actually did Zigic’s Wages, Pannu came later..
Off topic , but I assume you have a list of Posters real names , so you know the identities of those who abuse you stupidly , is that right ? I am not asking for info , just a yes or no..
Chas… the last time Zigic was discusssed, we did this.
Dunford left in April 2010. Zigic signed in May 2010. The deal was done by Pannu and Yeung.
OK Dan.. I accept that, no problem..I must have missed that edition..
Zigic, how do you fancy playing 2 years for the price of 1
!! Da jebi se !!
Came the reply, a good idea in everyones head except Zigic
Great idea, I wonder where the 1.5m saving would end up? Any ideas Peter?
If Blues can secure such a deal then it would be a great move as I feel that there would be an excellent chance of securing a loan move away during the 2 year period. Unfortunately, Ziggy’s current wage structure prohibits any loan move.without a huge subsidy from Blues. I feel a number of clubs in Europe may take a chance on Ziggy on loan as he offers something different.
Does anyone have the number for Anzhi Makhachkala? They have money to burn it seems.
Although it seems a no brainer for zigic I wonder how much extra bonus income another year would give him. shirt sales-win bonus – sponsorship – etc, etc or perhaps he could negotiate a higher percentage on these bonuses – this would increase his personal income but only pro rata for the club.
Better still, a goals bonus. Should save the club a few quid.
Ridiculous concept? Zigic will laugh it off.
Absolutely right Paul…no brainer for everyone except ziggy! (unless he as no brain) If spreading his wage cost is sensible then zigic would have to have a reasonable wage incentive over the period otherwise he’d actually lose on the deal. Sharing his final years salary with another loan club is the only reasonable option to move him out and make a cashflow saving this year. With an overall wage incentive a 2 year loan deal might even be possible!
The chances are he will reject it, but money isn’t everything, especially as he keeps stating that his children and wife are very settled in the area and love the area.
So this gives his family another settled year and depending on his childrens ages regarding school exams etc he may not want to move them nor be away from home if they stayed in the area and he moved to another UK club.
………derby county did the same in 2oo2 with fabrizio ravanelli and paid his contract up over several years with interest….
Maybe the carrot of the captaincy might sway him? http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/birmingham-city-manager-lee-clark-4064273
Zigic won’t take that deal.He can walk away next season on a free and get a nice signing on fee and half his salary then with a possible 2 year deal. I personally think he’s garbage but not stupid.
Whether this is good news or not stoke appear they would loan out butland again………
Personally, I wouldn’t have Butland back. 1 year of Hart, 1 year of Foster, 1 year of Myhill, 1 year of Butland. Whether it be Doyle or Randolph, it’s time get some continuity in the position imo… something we haven’t had since Maik Taylor.
We agreed yesterday butland did not look that good in England u21 game…….
He certainly looked very ropey, especially on crosses.
Whether we like or not zigic is here, and nothing should be ruled out……hopefully his wife might persuade him to stay longer, if she likes birmingham, and is settled. Possible money saved by this maybe caddis deal could be rectify again….i would side with wishful thinking……..
If Pannu signed this deal he wants his head looking into. I thought he was a lawyer these people are supposed to be smart. ziggy was never worth anywhere near that amount even at the start. He was always slow. I hope they fine him at least his wages every time he gets sent off. If that is the case then as far as I am concerned he can get sent off every week. Also if Pannu advised Carson on the cost of buying Birmingham City he advised him badly. the club were never worth that amount. It seems as though Pannu is the cause of all our problems.
Wonder if we can get pannu to take a similar deal on his “wages”
If it means keeping him next season too… NO! lol
I.Roth – You can’t get sent off every week.
well zigic could also turn round and so no thanks ill stick to the season I have left and once that contract has expired ill happily retire!!!!
Its a superb idea for the club, as Dan says he is very settled at the club ,likes the area as does his wife and kids,Iwould go for it and see what his reaction is.
Hopefully that would allow us to bring in a couple more players ,in two years time he will be touching 36 thats not young for a striker its a good deal for him.
Have always liked Zigic he can score important goals I realise he divides the fans but this has to be a good deal.
Regarding Letsby, not sure if there is a journo background there but I can see the green eye from here,he seems to delight in disparaging comments aimed at the owner of this blog and for no good reason. Maybe he should get his own Blog.
Tony have you turned over a new leaf- well blow me over…..
Tbh Tony, I don’t think 36 is that old for a player like Zigic. He doesn’t do a lot of running or jumping, just traps, chests, flick-ons and lay offs mainly. I think he could do a Sherringham and play till he’s 40. Whether he can do that in this league is another thing, but abroad, where the pace is more languid, I can see his name popping up for a few years yet.
I think the whole ‘family is settled’ thing is just an excuse for him to not go and for him to not look like he is just sitting taking the money when we cant afford him
Hmmm why on earth would anyone ever agree to that???? Fair enough he wont make a fortune elsewhere when he goes but he will still make, and someone will still pay him even if its nowhere near what we are paying him, I know what i would say if someone offered me half my wages for double the work!!!!
Buying Zigic probably won us the league cup and cost us our premier league status. It was a huge error. Now we have to re-shape the team to deal with his crazy wages. I wonder if a better idea would be to offer him a sensible amount to buy out his contract and end the problem now rather than prolonging it. If that’s financially feasible, of course.
I don’t think Blues have the cash to do that.
Correct if I am wrong Dan – would blues shareholders have full disclosure of player wages???
That’s stretching it a bit far – McLeish must take the rap for that with his negative tactics and obsession with 4-5-1. The only reason we won the LC was it was the only time there was no point playing simply “not to lose”.
4-5-1 was never a problem to me. Clark has played 4-5-1 this season at times and we have looked adventurous. My issue was the players we had in it were all non- attackminded midfielders, and it was not right for the players. I cant see an issue with 4-5-1 with Redmond and Ferguson on the wings and Shinnie or Ambrose just behind. It is a bit different to Lee Bowyer and Seb with a non-existant Bentley or Hleb behind.
Richard i am compelled to reply though please dont get me wrong i am not a McLeish fan. I watched the DVD of the 2008/2009 season and was amazed by how many attacking players seemed to be on the field at any one time, Phillips, Jerome, O’Connor,Larsson, MacFadden, Quincy, McSheffrey, i know they didnt all play at same time but he obviously knew how to attack and get us out that division. Fair play. The premier league is obviously above him. Did enjoy the day at Wembley nonetheless and Zigic and Macleish both played their part in that as did us loyals. KRO one and all.
i know what the wages are for zigic and without revealing my sources and embarrasing anyone i will give a ballpark figure it is in excess of 70k
They’re not.
So the reports in January this year that his wages would go up £10`000 (60~70) are in correct ??
Why can’t BLUES come to an agreement & buy out his contract.
BLUES surely have his & the rest of the squads wages in the bank ??
Totally agree about Zigic I he loves the club that much and his family are settled then he would take the cut. Think we should call his bluff
Talking about cost cutting and making money you would think that the board with be more on the ball with a new kit. Holiday’s are upon us and various plebs will want their clubs new shirt to wear while on their jollies Even Cambrige Utd have released their next years shirts
I just bought last year’s full away kit, home shirt and two t shirts, delivered for £25 the lot! Dont think I’ll be paying £40 for next season’s home shirt.
Ironically, £30k for two seasons will be better for zigic (assuming he would not be able to get set up elsewhere next summer) due to tax. He will receive more net pay at £30k than he would at £60k due to annual allowances etc.
I think this is a none starter, but we live in hope……
Settled in the area – I think I could settle in North Korea for £3m per year!
Even at £30k a week, Zigic is still earning two-and-a-half times what Pannu is. I hope Zig is ploughing his money back into the local economy — he should be getting Brummie builders and plumbers in to fix his mansion he no doubt lives in and buying Brummie-made cars and spending his cash on posh Brummie private schools.
I think he should also start up a Serbian restaurant in the Bullring — Zig’s Kebaberia selling Pannucakes, Yeoung Leaf Spinach salad and Leek Lark and Chicken pies.
I’ve always found it quite strange as to why people think Ziggy should leave and/or take a paycut – would any of us turn down good money?
Ultimately we do what’s right by no.1 and our families. He isn’t a supporter of the club and has signed a contract that pays him a lot of money – end of.
It would be great if he turned round and said ” you know what lads, the club is in turmoil and on that basis I’ll take a paycut” – it sickens me that he is on 60k a week and our club is on its knees, BUT the buck stops with whoever wrote the contract.
KRO
Why all the arguments about Zigic wages, he’s on a fortune that’s all that counts, Pannu should pay him off out of his ridiculous expenses allowance.
Pannu is a waste of space and Zigic is crap carnt run cannot tackle he is lazy and most of his goals appear lucky flukes, the quicker the pair of them go the better.
You want to try and get to a match now and again Marky!
I get to plenty with my ST
Don’t tell me Muppet, you think Zigic is great , oh well your entitled to an opinion
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22800755 About time too!
as previously mentioned by me here ;)
Sorreee. Still about time. :-)
Dan- may ask this question again do shareholders have full disclosure of players pay …..
No, not individual players salaries they don’t. Only the total staff cost is given in the accounts.
i am right then they have a legal binding contract which is between the club and player. So us fans would not be privy to what players actually earn………I am assuming this information is not freely available for our eyes…………….
You’d be right.
Just seen that Palace’s Glenn Murray committed the most fouls in the Championship last season, with 83. So it wasn’t Zigic then! You’d have thought so, by the amount of times the ref blew up for challenges by him.
I think pro rata with how long they are on the pitch would be more interesting.
My heads buzzing. I like Zigic and want him to accept this. With the right partner I think he could help to get us out this league.
word is the original story in the mail isn’t true
Typical Mail
Up not down !!!
lol!!1
You go on about fouls commited by Zigic, people should try counting the ones against him that are not given ,every match someone is climbing all over him.
He may be the most fouled player in the division.
He went a long way to us winning the cup, its also not right to blame Mcleish for being negative, we won because we deserved to win we had plenty of the play and gave Arsenal problems all afternoon, they could not handle Zigic, he is a big player in every way.
I wasn’t ‘going on’ about fouls committed by Zigic. My point was… the amount of times he had fouls given against him, you’d think he was way in front in the charts. It’s called irony. I don’t happen to think half of his fouls are actually fouls, more like fouls against him. Apology accepted!
he is a big player in every way then he need to demonstrate this in the championship, and not just turn up for the leeds game. He should be have the nous now he done season in championship, and he can start by destroying defenses, stop constantly moaning at refs, put the effort in, and show the mature of international player…….
then we all agree he bloody good player worth his salt…….instead of fans kiss his backside..
mark he has already had 2 seasons in the championship and failed, next season he will equally fail, he only perked up this season after LC gave him a rollicking, the bloke is an overpaid clown and he has been laughing at us all the way to the bank
marky mark- thanks for the correction, I wouldn’t disagree with your points made, maybe he could be third time lucky lol, I am not one of his biggest fans by along way, just maybe he could be a piece of the jig-saw that fits into Clark new team…..if he does not fit imo Clark wont play him…….
Mate, I hope you’re right third time lucky, God knows we are going to need him to produce.we can but hope don’t get me wrong I’m not gonna boo him or anything Luke that, but he owes us, scoring a goal in a cup final doesn’t suffice for ever
marky-mark i am in total agreement with you mate he cannot keep living off cup glory….that gone….
the league his bread and butter…………..and yes he owes us
Dan- just a bit of fun……….choosing the next club captain, mindful that certain players have not signed or could be leaving……they are as follows………. FOR ME it got to be Paul Robinson………
1) Paul Robinson
2) David murphy
3 Jonathan Spector
4) Nikola Zigic
5) Wade Elliott
6) Curtis Davis
mark – i am in agreement with you regarding Paul Robinson he would make terrific club captain.
I honestly have rated Robinson for making a difference in the calamity that was taking place. However, I feel we are just incappable of coping with pace when he is at centre half. I do not see him as a captain really, as he is a player whom when likely to line up against sheer pace I would not play. That is just my view. However, if Davies were not with us I do not know who else could really be considered. Perhaps Murphy.
I think Murphy is the obvious choice after Davies, but will he play regularly? He’s played only one full season really… but maybe this will be a good season for him. Let’s hope he can stay injury free.
who would you choose Dan to be the next club captain…………
At the moment mark, it’s hard to choose anyone. We don’t really know who will be here come kick off. It needs to be someone who’s going to play the majority of games imo. Robinson, Murphy, Elliott, all good choices, but how many games will they play? If, and it’s a big if, Davies is still here, he’s the obvious choice I would think, but who knows. I suggested a few weeks ago that Robinson would make a great club captain, but how many games will he play if we get two good, young centre backs? I’d be surprised if Lee Clark makes an early decision.
i do agree staffsblue just a bit of fun keeps the cobwebs off lol
Unless it’s going to be Eardley. When he said “Lee Clark touched on a few things about me personally, what he would like to do next season and where he’d like to take this football club, it just totally made my mind up.” The captaincy maybe?
i totally forgot about Eardley….. my reason for Robinson purely because he will keep the younger players on their toes imo, and he naturally born winner,credit to him. Again imo he does have leadership quality.
That’s why I would make Robinson club captain today. He’s someone the younger players can look up to and go to for advice. But team captain needs to be a regular starter for me.
i dont think that the club will see any of the money saved or not saved by ziggy changing his contract , so i see it as a mute point.I just hope that we can get some goals out of the big man next year , god knows were gonna need them.
This sounds like the Malarky Mark show, two clowns to rival Abbot and costello
I quite enjoy my banter with you Tony you shouldn’t not take it to heart…..you should be in bed its gone 9pm………..only for adults after 9pm
Lets stop this nonsense – do not buy any blues tickets, merchandise until the current owners have gone, end of. That is in the club’s best interests, Any fans who choose to go down this season are only damaging the club long term, becuase the longer they stay the more messy it is going to get.
The owners signed Zigic, not McLeish, because they wanted a name – hence he refused to start him for many months. We all seem to be looking for excuses and to blame others when the failings are the current owners and the disgraceful bunch beforehand who walked out of St Andrews laughing with a good idea of what was to come.
I like the idea of a young team with youth players stepping up but we have to be competitive. How can it be the club with a drop down payment of £8 million has a budget less than Peterborough. I would love Blues fans to show the rest of English football, Scudamore, Pannu, Gold, Brady, Sky that we will not be beaten, not take a load of patronising crap, and that starts by sticking together, not going to the ground until the clowns have departed and we can rebuild. And i wait for the day when Blues get back to the Premier League and our new chairman requests Scudamore’s resignation for non services to English football. Sermon over.
cally- heard this pile cr*p before good luck….
heard this pile cr*p before good luck….
Cally do me a favour just make good your promise and stay away. Hopefully you and your kind will never come back.
Enjoy Wembley did ya?
Cally, the day the fans stay away is the day that we accept that we have handed the club that our forefathers and mothers have carried for nearly 150 years to its desecraters. Its like seeing your best mate take a beating and walking away. The players will come and go, the board will come and go, the grounds have even come and gone. The only thing that has remianed is the supporters and the day we desert the club is the day we ring the death knell of our great club – NEVER-NEVER-NEVER!!! KRO.
*standing ovation*
Here here and Amen!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2337147/Hull-City-weighing-Birmingham-City-defender-Curtis-Davies.html Dan- maybe a 3mil offer + player
hopefully norwich and hull play off each other for his signature, maybe the figure could go higher???
fancy that 2 ex blues managers possibly fighting over the signature of one of our players…….lol
Hopefully, 2 ex-Blues managers will have pity on our financial predicament and up the price. =)
… as long as the loan player wasn’t Paul McShane or Alex Bruce. Wouldn’t mind James Chester though if they can spare him lol
maybe Clark needs to look in man utd reserves……for another James Chester….
He cost Hull £300,000. We ain’t got that much lol
to be honest it just show how frivolous money been spent over the years on players, simple fact is there is bargains,and gems to find without spending millions. Davis went to vilers for 8 mil, several of my friends who are W.B.A fans, and they stated he was never worth it……… good player but not worth that much…..they thought vilers were conned…… i just said good..lol
And they were right. Can’t say I’m a great fan, but if he fetches us £3-3.5m I’ll be happy with that.
staffsblue it was noted by Dan that his thoughts were around 1 and half mil , 3 or 4 mil can not be sniffed at. + possible player loan. any more than that we be in brucie bonus territory..lol
Good game good game, didn’t he do well! lol
If report is true I can’t see him going for it. Why would he accept £60K for two years when he can get £60 for one, then go on Bosman and get £20 for the next year making a total of £80 over two years?
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/birmingham-city-survey-find-out-4122601 No major surprises there I believe.
I don’t think Zigic will take the pay cut the mugs that come up with the idea of putting him on 60k a week should take the pay cut = Pannu, he only wants Zigic to take the cut so he can get his 1.5 million wage for the year so all in all we aren’t saving no money.. Why why why would we give Davies away for a rubbish Hull City regect who isn’t even going to be a replacement?? Baffles me
we are not giving Davis way?? but if the player choose to go, and the money right IMO don’t see what all fuss is about………
John – you do realise the club has no money, don’t you?
You read it wrong yes I know we have no money.. And yes I know we are not just giving him away.. What I’m trying to say is don’t we need a permanent replacement not just a season long loanee and 3 million.. And in the birmingham mail it says Zigic hasn’t been approached about his wages
Two things john.
One – I made it clear in the article that there was nothing proving the Daily Mail story was true.
Two – last night in the comments i mentioned that it wasn’t true.
You’re right, we need a permanent replacement. Unfortunately, we don’t have any money and we’re going to have to make do with what we can.
Why are you constantly being almost sarcastic on here for to pretty much everyone.. Anyone who has a say you mister almajir big balls always say something like no it’s not that.. Which fair enough your normally 99% of the time correct.. But yes of course I know the club hasn’t got no money I haven’t been in a third world country with no tele or Internet or benefits for the past 4 years.. You never write back to what I say then when you do you write something twatish
Thanks for your comment John.
To be fair John I’ve caught Dan out a few times on things and he always says thanks for correcting him. He don’t claim to know it all.
imo i think your comments were rather harsh really, i think your balls are bigger than your head matey.
At the same token its Dan Blog even tho you are in entitled to your opinion.
Fair enough I should know there’s not much truth in what the papers say
A good article here by Tatts. http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/comment-colin-tattum-explains-birmingham-4187108
Latest: England U21s 0-1 Norway U21s. Butland beaten low to his left by the Norway centre back after flapping at a cross a few seconds earlier. After his two performances in this tournement so far, I’m glad he won’t be back.
Butland beaten past his left hand again. 0-2
shocking really……
It’s all tippy-tappy premier football. There’s no direct passages of play, except when Redmond has the ball. He’s the only player whose running forward.
Dire performance. It’s like watching the full England team play. 6 passes between the centre backs, then out to the full back, back to the centre back, who plays a 1-2 with the midfielder and gets the ball back, then out to the full back, who takes two paces forward and passes back inside to the centre back. FGS!!
Nathan Redmond is the only forward thinking player in the England side, we only look dangerous when he gets the ball. He’s won 2 corners and almost slipped Zaha through on goal. Good to know Blues are coaching their youngsters right.
imo the second goal was cracking by norway he took it well. whether butland could have spread himself any further to stop it.
England’s defence nowhere. 0-3 and on their way out of the tournement. As bcfc1978 said, shocking!
i agreed staffsblue Nathan playing really well, hope he not putting himself in the shop window.
That’s exactly what I said to my son, mark. That if Redders has a good tournement, the premier vultures will start circling again. Trouble is, England aren’t feeding him enough again. With a wide player, they have to see plenty of the ball to work up a head of steam.
Push on Dawson. Penalty to England. Dawson to take it…
England 1-3 Norway
third goal…….l very poor england display…. worse for butland by the end of this game could have 5 past him…. england have now got penalty……….. we scored
staffsblue – andy walker we coming matey……..
Haha! Nice one.
We have a big guy up front now in Connor Wickham. Redmond moves inside and crosses to the far post. Everyone is static and watches it drift out. Stuart Pearce bollocks Redmond for not tippy-tapping it inside. Priceless.
Jonjo Shelvy on now. Nathan Redmond off. If this is England’s future, it’ll be another 50 years before we win anything.
shame really I wont here lol
i try not to be one-eye but i felt Nathan gave a good account of himself….
just your opinion staffsblue- could pearce cut it in the championship as manager…..i love a manager who not scare to bollock players. reminds of clark lol
I don’t rate Pearce as a manager, never have since he bossed Forest. He was a cracking player, but no, not for me thanks.
if england can get another might have a last stirring last 10mins,
two very good chances gone stray.
Back to the drawing board.
Way too easy for Norway.
I think Pearce might be on his way after this performance… plus the way he’s criticised FA policy this week.
personally england were definately not good enough……..you get that you deserve……..
glad the lions did well……..rugby i might add… til next time see you in 50 years….. maybe not………dire well- nathan you credit birmingham city fc
Nathan tried to play like he does for us… on the front foot. That’s the type of football I like. Direct football is not just lumping it up to a big man. Direct to me, means getting the ball forward as quickly as you can (on the ground) and setting up chances for the forwards. For me, there’s no more exciting sight, than to see a winger beating his man and heading for the byline before crossing. The ball crossed back from the byline is the most difficult to defend against. When you continually play in front of the opposing centre backs, you make it easy for them. Maybe I’m just too old lol
.granted mate you are right, nothing like seeing Nathan in full flight skinning the fullback….
Ahhh… those were the days. When football was fun and exciting and worth a fiver of anyone’s money. =) http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-legend-willie-johnston-4282549
i am sure staffsblue- will agreed andy walker have your job back lol
staffsblue-do know anything on this jack hobbs who could be part of the curtis deal???
staffsblue-do know anything on this jack hobbs who could be part of the curtis deal???
Hobbs is a big, strong solid centre back. Whenever I’ve seen him play, he takes no prisoners. Along with an experienced partner, he’d do well imo.
Apparently, he was their captain until a knee injury kept him out for most of the season.
his only 24
Just the right age. He’s was at Liverpool and Leicester before Hull.
my own personal opinion I would like to see again a younger version of roger Johnson and Scott Dann – they both gel extremely well together. obviously on the cheap lol
They were our Lawrenson and Hanson. =) I believe we have to get our players in as early as possible, so that partnerships can be formed through the pre-season. Like the centre backs, centre midfield etc.
too true, the quicker we get a settled side better, and to honest competition for places is healthy too
What we need most, is what we never had last season… a solid backbone. Teams often steamrollered us through the middle. Goalkeeper, centre backs, centre midfield, big strong man up front. A solid spine is what’s required.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/birmingham-city-boss-lee-clark-4220831?
bcfc working together, its time the fans came together……………..
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/birmingham-city-boss-lee-clark-4220831?
bcfc working together, its time the fans came together……………..
And people still criticise the bloke. If some of the moaners show as much heart and committment as our manager… we’ll be fine. He’s doing things in the right way, trying to get us playing the same way from 1st team down to the kids. It’s the way all the top teams do it, and it saves having to waste unnecessery money on soldiers-of-fortune. Lee Clark’s the man for me.