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Redmond out, Spector and Elliott staying?
The Daily Mail this morning has linked Nathan Redmond to a move away from the club after being one of the few shining lights in the dismal showing by the England u21 team at the European u21 Championship in Israel.
Redmond, 19, has only one year left on his deal and according to the article is attracting the interest of Fulham, Norwich, Swansea and Crystal Palace. The story continues that it would be likely that the winger would attract a fee of only £2million due to the short remaining time left on his deal.
I’m unsurprised it’s taken this long to link Nathan to a move away. At this moment in time he is one of the few assets with any real value at the club and with the financial woes at the club being so widely known it’s not stretching the realms of the imagination to think that he will be sold to bring in some much-needed cashflow.
After struggling a little for form at the start of last season Nathan came back strongly and in the last three months or so was playing as well as he has ever done at the club and it appeared he had continued that form on the bigger stage of the England u21 team. Predator clubs will have noted that despite not being 20 until next March, Redmond has made 82 appearances for the Blues first team including sixty-two in the Championship.
Whilst Nathan only has one year left on his deal, due to his age it’s unlikely he would be allowed to leave for free at the end of the deal. According to football league regulations, provided Nathan is offered a deal comparable to or better than the one he is currently on by Blues, the club are entitled to a compensation fee decided by a tribunal should he decline it and sign for another club.
Sky Sports have reported that Jonathon Spector will sign his new deal with Blues; the new 2 year deal will keep the American at the club until 2015. If this is true then I think this is good news – Spector is a player who offers a lot of versatility and I believe he’s an excellent defensive midfielder option in a 4-2-3-1 formation. However, I would also say that until it’s confirmed by the club I wouldn’t bank on him actually having signed the deal.
The Birmingham Mail also reports that contrary to some rumours on twitter, Wade Elliott is likely to stay at the club. The report states that only minor details need to be ironed out before the 34-year old signs on the dotted line.
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Fulham, Norwich, Swansea and Crystal Palace? Really? And that’s a step up?
The commentator in the match the other night said that Nathan had said he doesn’t want to go anywhere, he loves it at BCFC. Let’s hope he sticks to his word.
As for Sky Sports… yeah right.
Staffs, I don’t think Redmond he will have much choice if he wants to stay or not!. He’ll be sold if we need the cash (which ofcourse we do), its a sad state of affairs when the smaller clubs in the premier league can pick away at our talent ,shows how quick and how far we have fallen. Until the club is sold we are up the proverbial creek without a paddle!…lets hope this is sooner rather than later. Can’t imagine who we’d have left to sell next window.
KRO
he does have a choice, he still has to agree personal terms. he doesn’t HAVE to go anywhere if he doesn’t want to.
if davies is sold surely that’ll stop the need to sell redmond? i think i could live with selling davies if it meant we kept nath
Exactly! See Zigic for details…….
Slight difference though….
Zigic is on one hell of a deal at Blues, and no one is prepared to meet his salary, let alone pay a transfer ffe too if that’s what blues wanted, although I think they’d let him go for free, to get him off the wage bill. So therefore, he ain’t going anywhere.
Nathan Redmond could get easily more, if not double his currently salary somewhere else. And the club get £2m for him as well…..
Can you really see him turning his nose up at the massive salary hike?? Irrespective of how much he loves the club!!
I agree, i’d like to keep one or both…just can’t see them staying beyond January, surely if a manager says “I’ve been told you have to move on to save the club?”…how many would stay, you’d have to have some thick skin.
In saying all this im mildly looking forward to this season!!. Quite excited with the new signings and Clark’s attitude.
Only 2 saleable assets left in Davis and Redmond, no doubt both will be sold before we see any new ownership
You’ve forgotten Chris Burke.
Yeah sorry maybe Burke can’t imagine we will get much for him tho? Any idea what fee we would be looking at if redmonds contract ran down and then left? Am I right in thinking he would command a fee because of his age and we have trained him for x amount of years?
Swansea would definitely be a step up, as much as it hurts to say it..They are a good Club with a good Team.
I wouldn’t put money on any of them staying up. Maybe Swansea, but they didn’t have a great end to last season. Still, no one can make him leave if he doesn’t want to, so if Nathan doesn’t want to be part of a young, revitalised Blues next season, fine, we’ll take the cash.
Nathan is a bluenose through and through and hes only 19, he has his head screwed on if he has any say in the matter considering he still has time on his contract he wont go anywhere, hes not exactly on big bucks for wages and realistically how much longer would 2mil keep the club going for an extra month or 2? Im not saying he wont ever leave blues but hes still young and he wants to develop more with plenty of match time and he wants to do it with blues.
Nathan isn’t a bluenose. In an interview with talk sport I think it was he said he considers himself an arsenal fan and his mum is a villain…
Hes a self confessed bluenose and yes his mum is a villa fan
oh his mom’s a villa fan? sell him, sell him immediately!
I should imagine if Birmingham sold Curtis Davies for a similar fee to that of Jack Butland then could that keep the club going until January? And if the club are still in this absurd takeover situation, or lack of it, then Redmond may have to be sold to keep the club afloat until the following summer. Im confident Redmond wont be sold just yet and hopefully a summer takeover is on the horizon!
Maybe summer is a bit optimistic. I would think a takeover is unlikely before Autumn/Winter. But, I hope you’re right.
I’m surprised it took this long for a move to be touted.
I think some fans are in denial – Fulham, Norwich and Swansea are all big step ups from the Blues. We’ll established Premier League clubs with solid managers, sell outs every week, a strong financial structure and two of them being one city clubs with big catchment areas allowing them to further develop on recent levels of success. I think a kid like Nathan would get starts at those clubs and grow as a player. Those clubs would be a good move for him – especially Swansea and Fulham, IMO.
Spector and Wade signing on is a big step to surviving in te division. Fingers crossed.
Agreed! How many years have Fulham been in the premiership now? Redmond could line up alongside Berbatov or Zigic… how can that not be a step up?!! Swansea are going in the right direction at a rate of knots and are playing in Europe next year with one of the most coveted managers in Europe (so it seems). Ok, Palace and Norwich aren’t nailed on to be in the Premier League for the next five years, very few teams are, but they can offer him top flight football for at least one season to showcase his talents. All are undoubtedly a step up from where we are.
I think he’ll stay though. He’s never been a nailed on starter week in week out for Blues. Perhaps just one year of being a crowd favourite and playing lots of football will be enough to keep him…
Fully expect sales to follow after 30th June deadline for discounted season ticket sales. Last year we sold Mutch and Foster, this year fully expect it to be Davies and Redmond. For me the sale of Redmond would be the straw that breaks the camels back, feel sorry for Clark, but can’t stand the owners or Mr Pannu. Just about had enough, not at all sure I will be renewing for this coming season and I’ve had a season ticket since before the Gold/Sullivan era.
These clubs are not well established prem teams at all !!!!! they are all on the brink of being in the mire but as usual in the so called beautiful game ( that was !!!! ) its money that talks not ambition – not glory unfortunatley for nathan he is the wrong nationality for thr big 5 ie English as it appears the big 5 are onlt interested in the rest of the world and unfortunatley for Blues Nathan and Curtis will be forced out the door by the Odious Peter Pan who will then take his and his masters share of the pickings and issue some bullshit abou ANOTHER oriental interested party !!!!!!!!!!!!
Fulham not an established prem team? Crazy, they are consistently safe in mid to upper mid table, have been playing european football and are a much more stable club than Blues, as much as i dislike admitting so. Swansea aren’t exactly an established EPL team but again they are definitely at least five steps up from us at the moment, in terms of squad, finance, manager and attendance and the football they play is great. I do however agree that Norwich and Crystal Palace aren’t really a step up (Scott Dann to Blackburn anybody?), but really wether or not they are a step up from us is irelevant, if the club need to sell they will sell, and if he want’s to go he will, end of. I would love him to stay for at least another two years and be a part of the future LC is building for us, a key member of the starting line up and a genuine blues hero, however in reality we will be lucky to get another whole season of Nathan as a blues player.
We have to get Redmond signed to a new deal, 2m for him is theft.
I understand he may have to go but we must protect our asset, the best young player since TF if he loves the blues he will sign a new deal if only to increase his sale price
If this is true its yet another example of the continuos demolition policy of this board.
They have no Interest in the club or its fans and its about time the fans demonstrated their discontent-but I doubt it will ever happen.
Hoped we would have brought in at least one centre back by now, with only about 12 days to go before pre-season training starting. Maybe I’m just and impatient sod.
Selling all the assets can only mean that the club is going to be worth less money now. I reckon they wanted around 30 million when Paladini was trying to buy it so it must only be worth 20 if these two players are sold otherwise buying the club will be like buying a silver service with the spoons missing
If all we can get for Redmond is 2 million, then we would be advised to keep him!
I agree. He’d be worth a lot more than £2m if we kept him. Just say we did keep him, and just say we did get promotion. How much would he be worth to us then?
Typical media speculation this. The promoted clubs are always said to be linked with anybody any good every year. Lazy journalism in my view and I’ll believe this story when and if it happens. It would be a big mistake to sell Redmond at this stage in my view as I’m sure he will command a far higher price later on in his fledgling career. Treat it with a pinch of salt at this stage boys and girls because rumour is all it is.
Yes because were not a selling club are we? Oh hang on!
I had a feeling this was going to happen with Redmond and Curtis so im not surprise, all I say once they sold these two who have they got for sale for me its only the club
All I can say to that Tracy… is make sure you’re padlocked to your seat next season lol
We probly going to pick a team out of us in the crowd whats there, so all I say StaffsBlue don’t forget your boots and oxygen mask lol
Every fan’s dream :-)
…..for 30 minutes yes, until you start breathing out your arse and kicking the air instead of the ball.
I also think Remond is the same value has Ince
Daily Mail say the same every week. I wouldn’t listen to them!
I wouldnt let Redmond go keep him one more year, we will get a fee settled by a tribunal at the end of his contract, and that will be quite substantial , and you never know if we got promotion he would not want to go.
Plus the fact he loves it here he,would be reluctant to go anywhere ,keep him let him run his contract down, 2 mill for a player with his ability is criminal
Then again, who knows what January may bring. Maybe we’ll be able to afford to offer him a new contract! Ya never know.
spector and elliott are definetley worth keeping, purely for there expirience and versatility.
as for redmond, without trying to rock the boat, i think he wont be the player that a lot of
you think. hes got pace but always seems to loose or give the ball away, and never seems
to get a descemt cross in. yes he done well towards the end of the season, and hes a
bluenose but money talks. fulham or swansea for me because the other 2 will be back
in the championship next season. davies maybe a bigger loss to me, and i do go to most
games so ime entitled to my opinion.KRO.
I totally agree with your assessment of Redmond. To be pefectly honest, I don’t think he’s improved much in the last 12-18 months. He probably loses the ball more than anyone else in the team and gives the opposition chance to come at us. But, what he does have is potential. It depends on the lad himself. He needs to cut out the sill stepovers, they do nothing for his game. He needs to concentrate mainly on beating his man… with the speed he already possesses. He could be a cracking player, or he could end up a one-trick-pony. Up to him.
I remember a certain Ronaldo being mocked for doing too many step overs and losing the ball too much when he first went to Utd, Not saying Redmond is a Ronaldo before anyone starts!!
But he cut them down massively, and became a far better player for it.
Surely it is worth offering Redmond an extension on his contract. He signed up 2 years ago, but will be far from one of our biggest earners. But if it ties him to the club for 3 more years he is worth more. Everybody wins. Also, you then find out if Redmond wants to be here or not- and this is the question we might not like the answer to…. Personally, in terms of chances next season I would say Davies is more important to keep than Redmond- BUT in terms of value £2m is a give away.
Even pannu must know selling redmond would be suicide… If we shift some of the freebies id like to see redz signed up on a new contract!
As for fans saying they won’t go now if they are sold- I can’t be bothered to get into this again much more, but if they are wearing Blues kit they should be supported by our so called loyal supporters regardless of if they cost £0 or £10,000,000. In the light of having less quality players the team would need support more than ever, not just because the board are paying loads. It does not mean I like the owners one bit, but that is not the point.
100% agree. It’s the shirt that matters.
that’s three of us there supporting the boys in blue
Well I will be there as well as I have renewed both mine and my son’s season tickets, again!
The dew of the morning sunk chill on my brow,
it felt like the warning of what I feel now
Thy vows are all broken
and light is thy fame,
I hear thy name spoken
and share in its shame.
It needs a little culture here I feel
Tony
Never mind the culture and the poetry, did I get yesterdays quiz question right ?
What was you answer Marky?
Bertie Auld
Marky just looked at yesterdays page, the player was Bertie Auld, the two fulham players were Johnny Haynes and Maurice Cook a big centre forward 6-2 and built like a brick outhouse.
Tony, perhaps you should post a daily quiz question
Marky
I don’t want to be that guy, but this isn’t a forum and I don’t want it turning into one…
You can say that again ! ;-)
Marky
I don’t want to be that guy, but this isn’t a forum and I don’t want it turning into one…
your right staffs that you are buying potenial with redmond and 2 million is a giveaway,
but ive just got this feeling that he will be one of those players that flatters to dacieve
and wont live up to it potential, and ime not usualy far of when it comes to players
making it or not, but the future will let us know wont it.KRO.
It’s the age-old question though dave… how can you put a price on potential? He’s now an England U21 player… surely that has increased his value by a mill or two? Who knows.
Right, no need to tell me twice !
Your name is so good… he named you twice. lol
Bertie Auld 5’3″ also got sent off when he was involved in a fight with 6’1″ Ron Yeats the Liverpool centre half.
Ron Yeats, what a man-mountain he was.
I was there! Wednesday 22 April 1964. Blues 3 Liverpool 1.And he was sent off for head-butting Yeats!!!
If I were Nathan I would be wanting to develop my football beyond what would be possible playing against other Championship sides. I think he needs a switch to the Premiership sooner than Blues can offer him that. The question is, would he be better going to one of the big clubs where he would get excellent coaching and role models, but maybe make the bench sometimes and play maybe 10% of the games or would it be better for him to go to a smaller Premiership club, where he would get to play more often?
Nathan has been a faithful servant of this club and I think we should bow to the inevitable that he will need to move on soon and we should accept it gracefully. That is, provided he doesn’t end up going for a song.
If we believed all transfer rumours in the Daily Mail then we’d be left with half a squad.
There’s absolutely no need to panic yet.
I don’t want to cause alarm, but we already only have half a squad :-)
If Davies is worth £4m (Blues value) what must Redmond be worth? He’s got between 10 and 15 years left in the game, he’s and U21 international now and it’s possible he could make the full England squad, if he’s with a Premier League club. That’s a lot of potential and should be reflected in the price if/when we decide to sell him. It has to be at least £4m with lots of add-ons (for potential realised.)
i agree 4 million is a more realistic price, and he did play well in that first game against italy
for the under 21s, but a full international ime not so sure but were all entitled to our oppinions.
would redmond be guarranteed the left side next season, bscause at this momment in time
id pick burke all day on the right.KRO.
Hand on heart? I don’t think Redmond is anywhere near good enough (yet) to be a full international, but I don’t think 3/4 of the current England squad should get anywhere near an England shirt. But being with a Prem side is half the battle… a case of, not what you know, but who you know.
fair enough a lot of the current england players should never get anywhere near the shirt or badge
and thats a good shout,but nathans not a regular in a mid table championship side, so he wont get
anywhere near a regular start in a premier league side, so any chance of england is light years
away, but as i said i dont think he ever will be as good as is potential threatens.KRO.
No argument from me on that. But, there’s still the unanswerable question of… how much is potential worth? Our valuation could also be a million light years away from anyone else’s (i.e. Butland)
Scott Sinclair wasnt guaranteed a place in the starting line up and he was so average we got rid. What happened to him?
To be honest with you guys I watch all three of the under21s and only two players stood out to me, Redmond was one of them and Winston was the other. How much did Man U pay for Zaha cause I didn’t think he was that much better than Redmond.
Methinks United have bought themselves a £15m dud Tracy. I’ll be very surprised if Zaha makes it big.
Staffs cant agree there he murdered us at Stans last season and looks the real deal to me. Pathetic in the U21’s mind!
………that biscuit at the daily mail wants dunking in hot tea …..he probably supports Fulham or crystal palace anyway ………looking at the under 21 team in these three matches he was up there with the best….and we know he can play better …….ince and zaha are very good young players and there wasn’t any difference in talent ……to suggest that his value is £2 million is an insult to nathans intelligence ……a insult to the club …and an insult to the fans…….with around 14 years left on his career the riches he could bring to a club and the enjoyment to the fans is vast ………to value N.R. at £2 million shows how the daily mail has fallen in recent years………..the news that spector and Elliot have signed on is great news ,…..home is where the heart is…………k.r.o.
He may have 14 years left in his career, but only 1 year left on his current contract. £2m might be as good as it gets.
“American international Spector agreed his deal late last night and will sign on the dotted line once he returns from getting married in the United States.”
http://www.bcfc.com/news/article/20131206-duo-close-in-on-deals-861520.aspx
http://www.bcfc.com/news/article/20131206-capital-one-cup-draw-861323.aspx
If we only have to play the teams in the southern section in the early part of the competition, then I see only one team we need to be wary of: QPR.
my opinion for what its worth, zaha is only slightly better than nathan, and has no chance of
making man u team this season or next season. if hes 15 million for potential then nathans
worth propably a bit more than 4 million for potential.
the cup draw doesnt exite me to much at this stage and the southern section is quiet
poor, so nothing to worry about just yet untill the prem boys start calling,KRO.
Great news on wade and specs. No chance on Nate going for £2m. He is still learning the game and he won’t do that playing in some prem teams reserves. Would be a very bad move for Nate.
With the mess that we are in ,I can’t see any of our players turning down a move to any premier league team.Its time to face facts , we are no longer a big club.it would be a shame to see Redmond go, and for such a small fee as 2m ,but that is where we are now ,sad to say.
Nathan not going any where he a blue boy through and through, he could easily stay at blues for a couple of year’s. If the lad wants to move after that hopefully it will down to ambition rather than money that will take him to his next level…. Again spector was going no where another blues, and probably same goes for wade……………..
if these owners have learned anything, Nathan stock is rising, and will continue to rise. Nathan done extremely well in the u21. Again if he patient he not far away getting a full England cap imo…… then I will be of a opinion you can treble that figure that mooted around……
Redmond can still be a blues fan and want a move to the prem.he has been playing with u21 lads from prem teams who will be telling him how much money that are making.the only way that blues ate going to get 2 more years out of him is if he signs a new contract.can anyone see that happening? Hope I’m wrong cos he’s a great lad , but I think he will be on his way.
and he might be telling the boys at the u21 what a great time he having at blues, and from a young age how fantastic blues football is at wasthills…….
Yes… he might be telling how great it is to actually PLAY for the club they’re contracted to.
regarding wade and Elliott they will be big plus for Clark. He can continue to blend experience with his young pups. With more young players in the background who want to taste 1st team football………..exciting times……….these who want to play for theirs shirt, and excel with their ambition.
I gather you mean Spector and Elliott mark! Yes, I agree.
silly me, should have gone to specs save………lol thanks for your correction….i indeed meant to say spector………
Callum Reilly has signed new deal
Tracy scoops the latest :-)
http://www.bcfc.com/news/article/20131206-callum-commits-861642.aspx
confirmed spector 2 year deal…sign on return
this indeed is great news for bcfc…………. imo this will also stress to the other young lads this the place where you all belong e.g Nathan ……….
further to bertie auld story bertie had already given gerry byrne the glasgow kiss and laid him out what a sight bertie leaping to give to big ron yeates a taster
I believe that just leaves Elliott to accept of those who have been offered new contracts.
i believe wade been offered one year contract, with further 1 year option imo this will be wrapped sooner than later…………….
I know mark. I just meant he’s the only one left to accept now.
wade got possible two year contract, again his family settled in brum why move?
He’s from around Southampton originally and played for Bournemouth. Rumours are that they fancy taking him back there. Maybe at his age, he might fancy one last contract back home. On the other hand… he might want to stay on and help the kids.
I hope that’s not the case staffsblue, imo I hope Clark sold his vision, and why spector signed, and wade will also.
Like you, I hope he signs. I like Elliott, always have, even when he was at Burnley.
I think Pannu has a strategy in mind. I think he will turn £2m down with the hope that he can sell him for half the sum in January.
if it true that Pannu was involved in Zigic contract, He probably give Nathan Free transfer………….lol
Can’t see Redmond leaving in the summer. I can’t see him getting a regular start for any of those teams who are intrested in him. Just like butland. He wont be stokes no 1 either. They will loan him out.
Don’t know about selling players… we’ve not signed any new players for over a week. Sort it out lads!
Yep Bertie was a nutter but a teriffic winger no one took liberties with him , he gave an interview in the mail the other week reckoned we should line up 2-3-5 bloody hell
myself i go 1-5-5 sheer attacking football
Would that be with Zigic at the back? lol
yeah play back to front lol
My thinking was… at least we shouldn’t get caught by long balls over the top. =)
correct if im wrong Zigic cannot jump………..i am worry now……….lol
That headlines a bit missleading Helenius heading to Birmingham to talk terms click on it and hes going to the vile
It would take them a while to work us out
I am hopeful that Davis movement speeds up quickly whoever gets him…………so Clark can keep re-vamping his team….
Have to say, I agree with that. We all know he’s going (probably,) just get on with it. Grab the dosh and move on.
:-)
When Everton offered Rooney £12k a week it was rejected – Newcastle offered £20Mill and Man Utd got him for £25.5 mill.
He was an is an exceptional player.
He was 19 years old.
Nathan is 19 years old also – – and his value is in his potential. Not in his achievements in the Championship.
At a Norwich or a Fulham he would compete for a starting place.
At Blues, he would have that — imo — he would also have the support structure of friends and family around him, which seems very important to him, as it does to Callum and Niclk, his friends and peers.
It’s down to Nathan, and I can’t, seriously, see him leaving Blues by choice.
Not this season..If Clark and his staff help him to improve, even more, then he will go —
–but not to Fulham or Norwich—maybe a club higher up ?
Began with Rooney and Everton, I’ll end there, Evertpn now have the perfect manager outside Lee Clark, for Nathan.
But not this year eh ?
:-)
letsby – In agreement with you regarding Nathan the structure at blues is second to none….. Nathan is a very level headed young man………family and friends are very important – Nathan is playing first team football, making his progression though the England ranks……… getting callum to sign should prove to Nathan there his future should be…………
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2340631/Swansea-closing-Birmingham-winger-Nathan-Redmond.html or swansea???
According to papers this morning… Laudrup’s job is hanging by a thread. I would be surprised if they brought any players in until the manager situation is sorted.
its mooted that wade will sign within 10 days lets hope so……………
If this deal goes through do you still believe this board aren’t asset stripping?
sorry Art – but i disagree my answer no
Mark,
Thanks
I really do respect your opinion and I hope you are right.
I still don’t understand why they would asset-strip their own business! Surely that’s making it worth less as a saleable product? They paid £80m for it, they’ll never get anywhere near that if they sell all the silver. Doesn’t make sense to me.
There is no income coming in from the East atm, so we have to be self-sufficient until such time as our finances are sorted. That means making money with what we have. If the sale of either Davies or Redmond can get us through until at least January, then it makes complete sense. Sorry if that upsets people, but that’s life.
Davies sale may negate the need to sell Redmond also? Certainly selling Redmond goes against the manager’s wishes I would have thought with the whole youth and building for the future ethos
I agree staffsblue for me personally the only player to bring in a sizable amount will be Davis, all the time and effort put into Nathan would simply not add up. Keeping Nathan will only increase his stock in the long run. These views regarding Nathan are paper talk ( we are probably not aware there could be on-going contract talks with Nathan ) Papers have jumped on the this to speculate because he has 12 months left of his contract….. so bloody what….Nathan knows where his bread and butter is….. imo.
I think people are going to be disappointed. I think Nathan will go; i think Davies will go, I think Burke might go and I think King will go.
Lol are you Tony in disguise?
We can’t be far off the dreaded A word if all of them are sold off I wouldn’t have thought!
If that’s what they’re aiming for Evesham, then fine. At least they’ll never make their £80m back. The only thing that would upset me about A, is the good people who would lose their jobs…. the REAL heroes.
Almajir.
Spot on.
If Davies, Redmond, Burke and King are gone… fine. Whoever is wearing their shirts next season will get my 100% support. It’s the club and the shirt that’s the be-all-and-end-all.
Agreed. Yes Nathan loves the Blues and probably wants to stay around the Brum area but it is his career and his wages will probably double if not treble, he’ll be playing in the Prem and maybe Europe (Swans) What young lad wouldn’t want that? I’d challenge anyone here that has any sort of balance and grip on reality to think they wouldn’t do the same. If the club will sell is another matter of course…
i would not disagree with regarding those words, the other side of the coin it can go badly wrong for him, these are the decisions only NATHAN can make…….imo of course
StaffsBlue,
Sorry to disagree but I think the board have been asset stripping for the last 12 months and for legal reasons I’m not going to disclose where I think the money is going.
As for Redmond-the truth is if Pannu decides to sell Remond he Redmond will have no say in the matter and he will just be yet another entry in the Blues accounts and this is what concerns me about pursuing a youth policy .
Pay them peanuts-develop the better payers then sale them on.
The demolition continues!
With respect… Nathan will only go if Nathan WANTS to go. You cannot make a player sign a contract if he doesn’t want to.
StaffsBlue,
Agreed but there are many ways of putting pressure on him to move and I think his agent will have a say in the matter.All this is speculative at the moment but I do agree with Dan-there’s a lot more pain ahead and this board couldn’t care less.
spot on – speculative
No disrespect but if he is so good how comes none of the Big Boys are interested? Zaha is a different class imo and is probably one of the main reasons palace went up.
To sell for 2m is scandalous tho.
We would get a fee due to his age and development regardless of his contract situation. How much I don’t know but this eventuality would be very depressing if it were true due to his age and potential.
callum signing is great news, the new robbie in my opinion and weve never replaced him.
if redmond wants to go let him go, no problem on my side.
if we get ferguson back on loan he woudnt make the first team anyway.KRO.
I said the same about Callum Reilly the other day. I think he will be groomed for that Midfield General/Enforcer role. But he has the skill to add to that too. He could be the engine room of our midfield for years to come.
The reason they are being touted to go is because King, Loverkrands, Ambrose, Mullins, zigic won’t go!
Anyone who wouldn’t take a punt on King for free has no ambition. Even if you only a get a season, or a season and a half out of him, he would be worth his weight in goals.
Ambrose… I’m very surprised Palace haven’t had a tickle yet.
Lovenkrands… I think he’ll end up back in the Danish league, or some obscure outpost simply for the money.
The only one we could be left with, is Mullins. Portsmouth maybe?
Staffs blue- you are just making random guesses about clubs with no substance whatsoever. I cannot for a minute see Palace who are now in the prem going for Darren Amborse who has just failed in the champ last season, just because he used to play for them. Portsmouth have practically no squad and had to get rid of Ambrose for this reason, so why on earth would they go back for Ambrose and why would Ambrose go back there assuming the wages would not be as high divisions below…???
Al – are you doing one of your transfer spreadsheets again this summer? If not, I seem to recall from pervious transfer rounds it was generally the local papers who had their finger most on the pulse…
Certainly am, probably starting july 1
i was supprised marlon was available for transfer, hes our only natural goalscorer.KRO.
Me too. He’s the one I’ll miss most if he goes. He’s the only one you KNOW will score goals… all the others, you just hope.
if king does not go anywhere go you think Clark would ignore him?
How can you ignore certain goals? I doubt Lee Clark would cut his nose off to spite his face. It’s golas that win games and King has always scored them. No-brainer for me mark.
http://www.bcfc.com/news/article/20131306-nicolites-partnership-announced-863942.aspx
Well, they’ve brought back the woodbines… all we need now is the flat caps lol
Seriously though, that’s another thing sorted.
he needs replacing, but who we gonna get for nothing to score 14/ 20 goals a season.
as you say staffs we just prey and hope lees forwards come off, ive got a feeling
though asante could be a god send for us, hes unknown quantity and it might just
come of, but thats us hopeing agaih aernt we!KRO.
I think Lee Clark intends Asante to fill last season’s Wes Thomas role. The strong, quick forward who can find the net.
lets hope hes not another cameron jerome, because he never really scored the goals
his build and pace warranted, letsall hope hes another forrsell, but there we go again
hopeing!KRO.
Apart from the odd player (e.g Forsell) Birmingham City have been pretty much a striker’s graveyard over the years. Players who have been prolific elsewhere, seem to die a death when the arrive here… i.e Jerome, Robbie Blake.. and to a lesser extent, DJ Campbell.
Why not try the home product route again, ie, Latchford and Francis? Ya never know.
this what spices Birmingham city up you never know what you are going to get……….me personally I never change anything in the decades I have supported the blues…….
to right staffs, what have we got to loose in the current climate.
if you think of some of the strikers weve had this century(2000/13)
its mind bogling we didnt score more goals.
KRO.
… and there’s also that “unknown” quality. Other teams in the division probably won’t know anything about him, so he could clean up… at least until the reverse fixtures, when the’ll be more aware of him. lol. Tbh, I think our whole team and style of play will be an unknown quantity this seaon. We have to use any weapon at our disposal.
The one thing I wouldn’t like to see this season, is Zigic as our No.1 striker. Don’t get me wrong, the fella has his uses, like coming on with 20 minutes to go and unsettling defences (he’s quite good in defence too.) But for me, when he starts games, we become one-dimensional. Players, instead of passing it around and trying something different, take the easy way out, and hit it long to Zigic. I suppose it’s the natural thing to do when you have someone that big. But it makes us easy to play against. Once the opposition get the measure of him, they have an easy afternoon. As big as he is, he’s never gonna win a huge percentage in the air. If he was a giraffe, he’d starve to death lol.
We need more options, if that means bringing in the likes of Asante, Hales, etc, so be it.
maybe Clark can play Ziggy in defense it worked for kenny burns lol
But Kenny never gave less than 100%. If he couldn’t take the ball of you… he took you off the ball lol
KB a great player and very competitive.
You always got value for money watching him play.
I got value for money watching fight too… especially in the Broadway pub on the corner of Belcher’s Lane. lol
* watching him
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/interview-callum-reilly-reveals-excitement-4308374? this what I want to hear players chomping at the bits to get that blue shirt on………….kro
This is what excites me. Young players like Reilly, Hancox, etc, really up for it. We haven’t had enthusiasm like that down the Blues for a very long time. Add the new signings to that and it has the potential to be a very good season.
Reilly to be a future captain of Birmingham City. IMO.
i would probably second that!
Go on thern lol
Everyone is going on about a potential fee of 3.5 million for Curtis Davis, to keep Blues ‘going’.
What about the £16 million parachute payment ?
comment edited – again, you can’t make those kinds of allegations
£16million parachute payment?
Steve – it’s £8mil this year… and players wages haven’t dropped that much.
I’ve not a clue how much it costs to run a football club… but it certainly ain’t beer money. The money we make will go to where it needs to go. That won’t necessarily be on players, but on running costs.
Staffs – last season, of every £1 taken in 62.5p was spent on player wages alone.
Wow! Thanks for that info.
Almajir ,
Any idea how much it cost to run the club during the last season.?
Art
I can’t recall off the top of my head but I would recommend perusing the accounts for that information…
Almajir,
Thanks and will do.
Do you know if the accounts genuinely record the proper transfer value of payers sold?
They’d be in trouble with the authorities if they didn’t. However, if you’re looking for individual transactions you’re going to be disappointed.
One thing I’ve wondered for a while now: Why are all but the top end transfers undisclosed fees these days?
It’s the way clubs want it.
Personally I disagree with it but I don’t think there is much that can be done.
Cheers. Just seems a bit underhand to me. But, I suppose it’s their money, they can do what they like.
Not sure if you have an ‘inside knowledge’ of BCFC’s accounts Almajir but I doubt it. am sure the auditors do not get the REAL inside track.
Parachute Payments are £48 million over 4 years, plus a £2.3 ‘solidarity payment’, so its nearly £60 million over the period.
£16 million was a trifle high, in as much £8 million was ridiculous and 60 odd pence in every poud laughable.
Steve
I’m quite confident I know much more than you think I do. The accounts for the club are easily downloadable from companies house and I’m well aware of how the football payments work out…
FYI, last year turnover in the fully audited accounts from the club was 39mil, wages was 25mil. Thus wages were roughly 5/8 9or 62.5% of turnover… thus for every pound we took in, we spent roughly 62.5p on wages.
bloody hell staffs the broadway was my local during the 80s, but never saw kenny in there
but that would be the 70s though. mcdonalds now mate.
zigic as always come up with inportant goals, so ide hang on to him, but then we havent
got a choice have we?
undisclosed fees should be outlawed, thats asking for investigation.KRO.
I lived in Corbyn Road from 1969 to 1971 dave…. then I moved to Chelmsley Wood for 2 years. The Broadway was my local too. My younger brother went to Alston Road school.
went to alston road juniors my self then moved on to washwood heath seniors.
lived in banford road just of cotterills lane from 1969 to 1985, aint it a small world.
now live in kitts green.KRO.
Here’s a story for ya. Circa 1969. Up Corbyn Road to the end, turn left into Mead Crescent, then right onto Caldwell Road. Just round the corner, there was a newsagents, run by an elderly couple. Well, they had a granddaughter, who used to visit.. long curly red hair, gorgeous (I’m sorry, her name escapes me now, may have been Cindy.) Anyway, she was a bluenose and got me into supporting Birmingham. After we split up, I used to still go down in the hopes of seeing her again. Never did… but been a bluenose ever since. Altogether now… ahhhhhhh!
brought the house i live in now with a girl i met in the broadway, not with her now
but many fond memmories of the pub and the area. saturday mornings in the broadway,
full english brekfast, few pints, drink with the zulus walk up to the ground, maybe a
fight or two……..happy days, but maybe better now because my wife and son both
come down with me and after be on best behavior now, but still good memmories.KRO.
What is now Heartlands hospital (used to be The East Birmingham Hospital) we used to sneak over there on a Sunday afternoon and have some great kickabouts. And down the Ritz park. Oh, the memories.
same here footy on the ritz park sunday afternoons, having had a few in the broadway
earlier made it very competetive and physical not like the soft touch of today.KRO.
I played in the Birmingham Works League… no harder division anywhere. I was 15, 3 months from leaving school, playing in a man’s league. Had 2 toes broken before I left school. lol
Hmm, yes Almajir and I would believe the ‘fully auditted’ accounts of BCFc as much as I’d set great store in the works of Hans Christian Adersen as being the truth, the whole truth and …
Is it just the ONE company that have refusd to touch BCFC’s accounts with a ‘barge pole’ or wa it more?
Steve
Again, be careful cos you are going into libel territory.
BDO aren’t our auditors any more. A company called Edwards are – who did them before BDO as it happens, for the previous owners – and they’ve certified them as being okay.
was it not Pannu who order these auditors Edwards to come in??…………
Almajir,
we have seen how this lot (BIHL) our ‘owners’ in effect treat accounts with thinly veiled contempt.
We have seen the evidence being laid out by the prosecution in hong Kong and the laughale ‘defence’ that Yeung and his Dad made this 50 million plus ‘killing on the stock market.
This same ‘shrewd’ businessman who got striped by Sullivan and Gold for 81 mill !
I know there are still members of the ‘flat Earth Society’ alive and kicking.
I would seriously give their arguments more credence than ANY figures emanating from St Andrews and ‘popped’ into a spreadsheet by the current auditors.
Steve
For clarity.
We haven’t seen the defence at all. We have seen the defences rebuttals to prosecution evidence and we have seen their cross examination of the prosecution witnesses. The defence has not presented it’s arguments – they’re not due to start until tomorrow.
Secondly, whilst you might not believe the accounts they have been signed off as true by an auditors and it’s an actionable offence (ie libellous) to construe that might not be the case. I have left your comment up to rebut; please do not make any further accusations in this regard as they will be summarily deleted.
it use to be a mans game this football, not so sure now but still a drug i cant do without.KRO.
I have to admit, I don’t watch any Premier League games live (only when Blues are on)… only on MOTD. Foreign footy I have no time for tbh. But, the Football League is where my heart is.
Dan from your comments it seems very obvious you know a lot more than you are prepared to divulge in this blog. With this in mind ,can i ask you your considered opinion what is the likely outcome for Birmingham City fc?.
I’m sure he’d love to tell us all everything he knows…. but first and foremost, he has to cover his own arse. Can’t blame him for that!
I would never play on a sunday afternoon, all those drunken bums from the Broadway and Custard house trying to kick lumps out of you, no good for an artist like me.
What kind of artist are you? (oh, it’s so tempting) lol
Dan is in a very difficult position here so please read between the lines and except his request not to get involved in any form of liable.
I ‘m sure he is aware of what’s going on at STA but at the moment he is legally shackled and it must be heartbreaking to see the demise of our great club.
I have said before on this blog that the board are a complete shambles and are only interested in their own economics .
The demolition of our club continues.
Can we also remember we are championship side, and not premiership team. Whether people like or or not we are re-building, and there nothing legal about that…………kro
mark – you right there, some fans out there live on cloud nine.
Staffs sunday afternoon football was for blokes who liked a drink and a scrap. there was no ability there.
Actually, I used to play Saturday afternoons and Sunday mornings. And, there was some good football played. But, I suppose if you were…. less talented, you had to take what you could get. lol
I posted here back in December season before last, lose Beausejour and we lose promotion. I’ll now predict that if we lose Nathan, we’ll be relegated – he’s a morale builder, and without him the team will crack apart.
Let’s hope I’m talking through my a***.
Methinks you might be.
gosh you do have feel sorry for messi