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The Carson Trial – Day 23

Former Lippo Securities executive Jackie Pan Chik continued to give evidence in the District Court today as Carson Yeung’s trial entered its twenty-third day of hearings.

Early reports from Oriental Daily say that Mr Pan confirmed under cross-examination that he had invested HK$2.15million (approx £177,000) in a real estate project set up by Carson in Inner Mongolia in 2007 and had yet to receive any return on investment.

Mr Pan also confirmed that during the period in question he estimated Carson’s earnings with Lippo Securities at HK$100million (approx £8.24mil) but confirmed he had not seen all the statements necessary.

The trial resumes tomorrow at 9:30am (2:30am BST)

Edit 22:45BST June 19 2013

South China Morning Post reports that Jackie Pan Chik testified that Carson never had control of his father’s account; however the prosecution put it to Mr Pan that he had made a statement to the Securities and Finance Commission in 2002 that Carson did indeed have verbal control.

Oriental Daily confirmed that the money Pan Chik put into the Mongolian residential project had been lost and that he had not approached Carson for the money back.

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64 Responses to “The Carson Trial – Day 23”

  • SteveC says:

    Hope Jackie boy isn’t holding his breath for that HK $ 2.15 million.
    Inner Mongolia … ??
    Inner his bank account i’d say !

  • quokkasskip says:

    So Mr Pan says he didn’t bother looking at the statements before he went to court? Is it that they are no longer available due to timing of transactions.

    All v convienient.

    Doesn’t sound great defence at present

    • Stephen Wood says:

      Id be very worried if this is one of Carsons main witnesses. His Total Recall is sketchy at best. The first witnesses defense is down the Pann M8

  • StevieW says:

    And the pendulum swings

  • zxcv says:

    I wonder if the defence is starting with there strongest witness. lol.

  • StevieW says:

    I think Carson will have to go on the stand to explain the gaps if he can

  • SteveC says:

    He shoulda used the ‘found it down the back of the sofa’ defence ….
    Apparently next up .. Vlad the Impaler defending against a ‘case of assault’ …

  • neil says:

    someone should tell old jackie boy he aint gonna be seeing that HK$2.15million again!

  • dave mann says:

    lets hope that after this case we dont see old carson yeung again, because
    ” we dont care about carson, he dont care about us” as the song rightly states.KRO.

  • Neo says:

    At least only 2 days left to go

    • almajir says:

      No, if you’d read what I’ve been saying you’d know that 25 days was only ever a guideline, and it will keep going until they’re done.

      I reckon we’re looking at another 10-15 days in court myself, maybe more

      • StaffsBlue says:

        I said a couple of week or so ago on here, that I thought it was moving at about 1 court day to every 2 and a half proper days and my guesstimate would be 70-75 real days. It’s what now… 50-51 days? Might not be too far off.

        • StaffsBlue says:

          But to be fair, the court days seem to have speeded up a bit since then.

          • almajir says:

            I have a feeling, an inkling that there will be an adjournment of a week or two before Carson takes the stand.

  • Bluenosesol says:

    Carson was to call up 6 defence witnesses and this guy has hogged the stage for the last 3 days!!

  • Neo says:

    Alot to get throuh in just two days

    • almajir says:


      • Dan H says:

        Dan, Maybe you should put a post up on OP about the timescales of the Court Case not being a defined allocation !!

        You must be banging your head on your laptop repeating yourself about the days of the trial.

        I bet you regret even mentioning 25 days as the ‘estimated time’ at the outset !

  • Art Watson says:


    Under the current financial constraints and the possibility of a guilty verdict and an appeal which could add yet another year to the case -do you think the club would be better off in administration?

    • almajir says:

      The appeal should be immaterial – a guilty conviction is enough for Carson to be disbarred from controlling BCFC

  • Neo says:

    Neo… if you’re not going to take any notice of what you’re being told I’m going to keep deleting your comments…

  • andy says:

    The club certainly would not be better off in administration, Birmingham would then have to accept a paltry offer for Redmond and others. There is a bid on the table for the club from the Paladini consortium and that’s how the club would be better off, just sell it!!!

  • Neo says:

    What makes you think there will be adjournment b4 CY takes the stand,if he does at all ?

    • almajir says:

      Because I suspect the defence will want to prepare him properly for it.

      I think he’ll have to take the stand.

      • Neo says:

        Surely they have had long enough with all the previous delays,can the judge refuse their request for further adjournment

  • StaffsBlue says:

    I say absolutely no to administration. Far too many people will lose their jobs… and for what? To appease (very) disgruntled fans? Who knows, if or when new owners take over, any of those loyal workers will ever get their jobs back? Think of it personally, if you worked for crap owners, who decided to go into administration.. how would you feel if you lost your job through no fault of your own? That’s how people at St Andrews would be thinking.

    • Oldbluenose says:

      Well spoken Staffs;, There are some very hard working staff at st Andrews, Not a lot is said about them in print, — BUT,– These are the people who are keeping our club running, with very [ if any ] little help from our ” so called board “..

      So please guys;, Admin would see them tossed out, !!. Not a nice way to thank them, Eh, ?.

  • Dino Tiltoni says:

    So Mr Pan got no return on his HK$2.15million. Maybe that was the money the Blues used to buy Darren Ambrose?

  • matt says:

    I stll think the court will struggle to find him guilty! Just two days and the judge will give his verdict!

    • almajir says:


      As repeatedly stated on this article alone, there are wayyyyyyy more than 2 days to go.

      If you think there will be a verdict in two days you’re in for one helluva nasty shock. We won’t get one until about october (again as I KEEP saying)

  • matt says:

    Maybe so but they will never prove his guilt!

  • bluenoserob says:

    and again , they dont need to prove his guilt , CY has to prove that he is innocent.

  • Tony says:

    Should not think the judge will need long to consider his verdict ,couple of hours should be enough.

    • almajir says:


      There are 1000s of pages of evidence. You’re looking at a month or two.

      • Gary R says:

        Bloody hell, I knew someone who read Lord Of The Rings in 2 weeks, surely a judge can read through evidence quicker than 2 months. Granted, he might have other cases/trials that he’s also currently working on.

  • Cameron Smith says:

    If the verdict is given in October, and Carson will be guilty or not guilty how quick could we sell the club. Before January?

  • StaffsBlue says:

    If there was an appeal… would it most likely be in the new year? (our new year that is)

  • mike says:

    i do like a little humour!!!

    it is a lot better than all the nasty comments last season!!!!

  • mark says:

    mike- tbh Carson and pp have yet to return, wait and see first lol

    • almajir says:


      Mr Pannu has been back in Birmingham recently, albeit only briefly…

      • mark says:

        just quickie Dan if bcfc is paying pp his wages surely this warrant him spending more time at bcfc??
        or are bcfc paying him duel role?? thus compensate his expenses…………….

  • SteveC says:

    Does anyone REALLY think hes innocent ?

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