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Lingard in on Loan

Birmingham City added a fifth loan player to their books yesterday with a month-long loan deal for Manchester United and England u21 forward Jesse Lingard. Lingard, 20, can play anywhere across the flanks or the forward line but is expected to be used as a striker at Blues and is down to start tomorrow against Sheffield Wednesday.

Lingard is an interesting capture; he’s not a player that I know much about but his reputation is good and on Manchester United’s pre season tour he scored four times which suggests he knows where the net is – one of Blues’ biggest problems at the moment. Although his loan spell is initially only for a month it has been set up in such a way that it can be extended and Blues can deal with the fact that he turns 21 in December and thus is no longer eligible for a youth loan at that point.

I’m guessing the big question is how he will slot into Blues’ formation. Blues have striker issues ahead of tomorrow – Novak is absolutely out of form and has a niggle and thus I can see him being left out; Lovenkrands has looked poor; Green has scored once but was again apparently shocking at Burnley and Zigic isn’t quite fit enough yet, needing another u21 game.

As much as the purists demand that Blues play two up front at home I think we’d be well served against Sheffield Wednesday playing the 4-2-3-1 formation that did us well at the end of last year, with the three attacking midfielders told that they MUST get up and support the focal point and that they MUST do what they can to help score goals. In all honesty the best player for the focal point is one we can’t play – Zigic – and thus I think Clark has to choose carefully who he picks because it’s going to be a tough role. My choice would be Asante as I think he’s fit enough and I think he deserves a chance.

Behind him I would play from right to left Burke – Lingard – Ferguson. All three of those players have attacking instincts and I think would be able to get forwards to support Asante in the lone role. Lingard would be encouraged to join Asante as often as possible and to push onto the Wednesday defence – which now contains Roger “the relegator” Johnson – to try and create more chances.

I’d play Tom Adeyemi and Jonathan Spector in defensive midfield and task them with breaking up play, helping out the centre backs and crucially helping out with covering the full backs so that they could also get forwards into attack. Behind the midfield the team picks itself – I’d go Caddis – Burn – Robinson – Hancox personally as I don’t think Robinson is good enough at full back but I believe we need his experience in the team and of course Randolph in goal.

Whatever team Clark puts out it’s crucial that they are positive and play to win; Blues have had desperately little to cheer about at home and we need a good, winning performance to help bring the team out of its current slump and to maybe improve morale on and off the pitch. I think Clark understands how much pressure the team is under and knowing how unhappy he was with the midweek performance I wonder how much he will swing the axe, I guess we will find out at 3pm tomorrow.

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69 Responses to “Lingard in on Loan”

  • DoctorD says:

    Roger the relegator — like it!

  • StaffsBlue says:

    A team I’d like to see… but I doubt would ever happen.


    Spector Burn Robinson

    Caddis Adeyemi Reilly Hancox

    Lingard Asante Ferguson

    There are at least 5 players in there who can play more than one position, so there would be plenty of scope for change within a game.

  • Richard Granfield says:

    I am less concerned about Roger the relegater playing against us than if Marlon the menace had joined Wednesday rather than United. For King to score a brace against Blues at St Andrews would be too much to take.
    Good luck to Jesse and the team…….God knows we need it!

  • pierre says:

    any substance of the possible loan signing of Shane Duffy from everton as reported on newsnow.

  • Bluenosesol says:

    We can not over estimate the benevolence of Manchester United and the respect they have shown for us in lending us one of their star youth players during a tempestuous period at our club. My biggest fear is that if the result goes against us tomorrow, that Lingard could be caught up in ugly scenes as the team become barracked by the boo boys leaving Lingard and David Moyes to wander why they bothered to try and help us in the first place. This would seriously harm our chances of securing the services of big teams in the future. So for the love of Blues – Please get behind the team tomorrow come what may. KRO.

  • Neil says:

    making a lot of sense as per usual!

    just out of interest how much would you want a week in case Clark ever did get the boot or walk away? ha ha neither of which will happen before anyone jumps on me for saying it……………its a joke.

  • dave mann says:

    like the look of that team staffs, just hope theres goals in there, the only change for me
    would be burke in for reilly move caddis into back 3 bring spector into midfield and that
    would be quite an offensive team so lets go for it and lets see some goals at st andrews
    and a vital must win 3 points.KRO.

    • StaffsBlue says:

      As I said dave, it’s a versatile selection. With 5 players capable of playing in more than one position, it gives you more option to put on the bench too. Quite often, you look at our bench and there’s not many options to change things. Plus, this team would be pretty quick going forward I think.

  • Dino Titloni says:

    Lingard has the #9 shirt. I wonder he chose it because its some pressure being placedon him if he didn’t. Hoping for a big 3 points tomorrow KRO

  • dave mann says:

    i know 3 people who will get behind the team tomorrow, dave mann, staffsblue and
    Bluenosesol cause were not boo boys so lets all follow suit and cut ot the booing
    and support the team because thats what were there for aernt we?KRO.

  • dave mann says:

    i know 3 people who will get behind the team tomorrow, dave mann, staffsblue and
    Bluenosesol cause were not boo boys so lets all follow suit and cut ot the booing
    and support the team because thats what were there for aernt we?KRO.

  • Bob Your Uncle says:

    This boy is highly rated at Man Utd, and give credit where due. Clark does seem to have a talent of bringing younger players through, West Ham are reaping the rewards of what we did to Ravel last year. I would like to see Reilly back in the starting line up, I believe Spector and Adeyemi are maybe a bit too similar, both good at breaking down the play but can’t string some passes together. However just my opinion, Clark see’s them every day in training. Blues seem to have many good academy players, maybe the future’s not so bleak after all.

  • dave mann says:

    i think the future aint gonna be as bad as some fans think Bob and lee did a very good job
    with Ravel last season, i agree on the reilly shout, ide like to see him more in the starting
    line up but clark must have is reasons.KRO.

    • StaffsBlue says:

      I was thinking dave, with all the criticism of Clark (including falling out with players lol) don’t you think he must have something special to be able to persuade premiership players to come to, what is basically, a shambles of a club at the moment? Burn, Bartley, Ferguson and now Lindgard.

      • Bluenosesol says:

        My point exactly Staffs. Whilst most of us would admit that we are currently bordering on basket case, the real professionals in the game respect what Lee is doing at the club and have faith in our potetntial otherwise why would they put their players at risk?

        • Andy W says:

          Agreed, and let’s not forget, whilst our start has been a poor one, we have played 4 of the current top six sides in the league, games you probably wouldn’t have expected anything from. I’m not excusing the poor performances, but didn’t this happen last year, where we took the first third of the season to gel? There are 39 games to go. The team needs support not criticism, as does the manager. I have never been convinced with Lee Clark. He seems to be able to attract the right sort of player, but then makes unexpected tactical decisions that don’t appear to have any logic? But he’s what we have. And let’s just face up to the fact that even he left, there is no-one of any stature that would come to us. It would be another unknown quantity. As the saying goes, “be careful what you wish for”?

        • chris says:

          i agree, but ‘tongue in cheek’, they may want to toughen them up mentally and also for them to appreciate what they have, back at their parent clubs.

  • Vern says:

    The team in the article is the one I would pick, it is balanced and suits the players we have available. Hancox and Ferguson worked really well together on the left last season and should be given a chance to build up a similar relationship until the return of David Murphy.

    I really hope Clark doesn’t try to play Lingard as the main front man as he is pretty small and still very lightweight for this age.

  • dave mann says:

    lingard will play behind the frontman weather it asamte or green i would imagine and
    staffs i think young lee is useing is contacts when it comes to getting young premier
    players to come, he must have a lot of friends in high places but yes i think he does
    know how to nurture them and so prem clubs allow them to come to us dispite our
    problems, and maybe they might even feel sorry for us! KRO.

  • danny in devon says:

    If we survive this session i agree with good academy players awaiting in the wings the future COULD be good the only problem is that with the present owners still in control they might be sold on.
    BOO BOYS ok you have the right to boo you have payed your money but DONT it certainly wiill not help the lads

  • Tony says:

    Did anyone else see that photo of Lingard yesterday either Im going colour blind or that was a maroon shirt he was holding up.

  • Marky mark says:

    Tomorrows team almost picks itself, come on LC see sense and get it right.

    I’ve given LC a lot of stick this week perhaps to much, but lets hope Lingard gives us a lift and we
    Get 3 points the fans deserve it the players deserve it and so does Lee to be fair.

    Here’s hoping for a good weekend 2-0 to blues I think

  • Aaron says:

    Robinson is banned isnt he? so unless Mullins is fit and plays at CB i cant see there being a back 3

  • Chris W says:

    First off this, on paper could be another good signing from reading reports on the lad, secondly, we need the supporters to get behind the team, more so at home because of our poor record. The players need to feel relaxed and that has not been the case, and the boo boys will not make it any easier, we need to be united, team and supporters..
    The third point Sheffield Wednesday have not won at St Andrews since a 1-2 win in March 2001, the last meeting was a goalless draw in February. They have drawn 4 of their opening 6 league games this season and have not kept a clean sheet, which could be good for us, however they have also scored in every game including the 1-2 defeat at Rotherham in the cup.
    We need a break and hopefully this is the game to do it, a win will boost everyones confidence.

  • Frankie says:

    Hope this lad can bring a bit of ‘cutting edge’ to the team.
    Theres not too much wrong with us, apart from lacking a touch of good fortune and a bit of confidence that comes with a win.
    Lets get behind them tomorrow, Wednesday are a very physical team and it will not be one for the purists.
    I’d take a 1-0 all day long !

  • dave mann says:

    well said danny about the boo boys, an absolute disgrace to the club and a burden on the
    players, they pay there money, they makes there choice but as ive said many times before
    ive never ever booed the blues and never ever will and ime very proud of that to be honest
    if we loose tomorrow the boos will be deafning so i dont know why we bother to tell fans
    not to but a win and most fans will be happy exept those who will pick negatives and slag
    the team off even inn victory!. KRO.

  • Bluenosesol says:

    Amari Bell recalled from Nuneaton. They are not happy as he has been playing very well as an ever present in the side and was signed up until January.

    • StaffsBlue says:

      Looks like changes are afoot. I think you could sense it in Clark’s interview for Blues TV after the Burnley game. He mentioned picking 11 players who will fight for the shirt. Methinks he’s not impressed with the attitudes of some players. Tomorrow’s team sheet will be interesting.

  • dave mann says:

    we must have serious issues at left back if were recalling bell back before january,
    problems with hancox and murphy? KRO.

  • dave mann says:

    my only issue is how my temper will react if novak and lovenkrands are up front again like
    last home game against ipswich, no, no, cant happen gotta be asante/ green and lingard

  • sutton apex says:

    already a ‘six pointer’ – blues will be in the bottom five with sheff wed come may 2014 and you must beat those teams at home – lingard to score winner in 2-1 victory, going tomorrow and cant wait !!

  • BhamCityJulian says:

    I was at Burnley. A rare away match as I was working in Sheffield. However a bigger trek than I expected!

    Novak was Novak: totally out of his depth. Green looked lively but was totally ineffective. The big shockers were Spector and Adeyemi in midfield. Spector was a big enough shock to take after Ferguson and Bowyer but Adeyemi is a further rung down the ladder.

  • StaffsBlue says:

    I still believe that someone is going to get walloped by us soon. Just need to score when we’re on top for a change.

  • dave mann says:

    novak and lovenkrands was tongue in cheek staffs but you propably new that amyway.
    if were gonna wallop any one then it must be a side that hasent won all saeson and
    concede goals, tomorrow looks a better time than any so lets all hope so but defeat
    and as i said earlier the boo boys will have a field day! KRO.

  • StaffsBlue says:

    We’ve been told that Zigic won’t be included until Reading. Murphy is willing to play, but not really ready. Mullins is back in training, so won’t be ready. Only one we’ve not heard about is Novak.. so I’m assuming he’s fit. That leaves Novak, Lovenkrands, Green, Asante and Lindgard (if he’s used up front.) Not much to choose from is there? I’m also hoping that Brown and Hayles might get a look in.

  • Alex T says:

    I would put a £50 bet on that Clark will pick one of either Novak or Lovenkrands..

    Cause the man has brought both of them in, he needs to validate his signings…. that and the fact he is a numpty

  • dave mann says:

    if clark was so peeved about the other night and wanting players to show some passion
    and play for the shirt i wouldnt be supprised if he brought himself on as well as terry mc,
    they were two descent midfieid players in there pomp and loved the challenge, i think the
    team tomorrow except for lingard is impossible to pick in either formation or players, best
    of look lee cause your gonna need it but it wont be through lack off support on my side.KRO.

  • dave mann says:

    not a fan then Alex T i take it, you wont be the only one if we loose tomorrow mate! KRO.

  • when does CARSON’S trial resume in HONKERS?
    Anyone know?

  • dave mann says:

    mid october but will drag on into new year so dont get to exited.KRO.

  • Thanks but it don’t bother me as I go there every 3 months anyway.
    Went to the opening of his case when Almajir was also there with some mate with fancy shoes on from Corby area.
    I had 3 good chats to his ‘SILK” Graham Harris and I would like another one at least.
    I’d like to know which Dickhead working for the football authorities allowed CARSON’S SHELF COMPANY to buy our club.
    Carson didn’t buy it..he was just a 26% MAJOR SHAREHOLDER…what about the other 74%?
    They didn’t have a clue who they were and also didn’t care either….just check out the Major shareholder that’ll be good enough……No it isn’t!!!
    They couldn’t have checked anything out…he was being investigated by HK authorities for 2 years when his Company bought BCFC in 2009….the whole deal is a joke and someone in the F.A. should walk over this.People like you and me are the losers.
    Carson Yeung has never owned BCFC.
    We are in the hands and at the behest of the H.K.Government right now.
    It should not be allowed……The holding company should be forced to sell.

    • almajir says:


      It’s advisable if you’re going to go off on a rant to ensure that you have your facts correct first.

      The PL will not have “checked out” Carson when he bought the club; they don’t “check out” anyone. As stated many times before by me on this website, the owners and directors test is a self-certification form, nothing more. Carson and Vico definitely passed the test in September 2009; I’m assuming that as they have been or are currently directors of BCFC Peter Pannu, Ryan Yeung and Bruno Wu will also have filled out the forms. As Liu Xingcheng and Zhou Xin both owned at one point at least 10% of the club they had to have their names published in a document to satisfy Premier League rules on ownership too, but likewise no “checking out” was done.

      As for the “remaining 74%” – bar a couple of larger shareholders (Liu Xingcheng and Vico Hui) the majority are just ordinary people with only a small amount of shares. We saw what happened when Liu Xingcheng decided to get uppity – he was shut out – so imagine how much pull any of the others have. Their position is analogous to that of small public investors in a company like British Gas or Tesco.

      I agree that more should be done but until people actually stand up to the FA/PL/FL nothing will happen.

      • chris says:

        I believe Deadly Doug and Madejski stopped him buying into their respective clubs, so it seems their standards are higher than the football authorities.

        • almajir says:

          Yeung made no plans to buy the mob across the expressway – I was told that by Vico Hui personally when I asked. I think they did look at Reading and sheffield united though.
          Want someone to blame? Keith Harris of Seymour Pierce was the one who introduced Carson to Sully – and I suspect sully had paid Seymour Pierce (as he had engaged them to help sell the club) to check out CY first…

  • What facts are incorrect then?
    You seem to agree that the system is flawed…it’s not only flawed it’s a joke.
    i met a guy from the F.A. last February at Bescot Stadium.
    I was invited by a contact in the FA to attend ENGLAND U21 v SWEDEN U21.
    Was a bitterly cold night…spent 2nd half chatting to FA guy from North London about BCFC.
    He was so uneasy about our plight….I asked him twice who or what committee check out purchaser’s of ENGLISH FOOTBALL CLUB’S…..who is responsible…exactly what detailed checks are actually made….BCFC have been on FA radar for a long time now he intimated…..I got the very real impression that they know they have “goofed” on this one.
    Any chat you hear over there about a possible sale going through is B.S.
    The owners still want there 81 million quid back which as we all know aint gonna happen.
    It’s all going to blow up eventually…..when who knows but these dickheads have to be forced somehow to sell.

  • TracyKRO says:

    do you know where any members of the blues trust sit? I have a few ideas etc

  • chas says:

    Off topic I know, and apologies Dan for that, but can I pay on the day tomorrow if I decide to go ?

  • TracyKRO says:

    you can pay titon and kop gates only kro

  • mark says:

    I believe clark will freshen up blues tomorrow, I am glad he see no player bigger than the club. What ever the team he does eventually pick the fans should support him. Clark will have my continual support. I will be at the stans, venting my voice towards the opposition fans. Blues to win 2-0 lingard to score on his debut……….

  • chris says:

    don’t expect too much of this kid, we had Carrick and Scott Sinclair on loans and both never set the world alight while with us, so give the lad some time to settle in.

  • Sh*t on the villa says:

    4-4-1-1 later please clarky.

    Caddis – Burn – Robo – Hancox
    Burke – Adeyemi – Elliot- Ferguson

    Bench: Doyle, Zigic, Reilly, Arthur, shinnie, Bartley, Ambrose

  • Aussieblue says:

    Fellow Bluenoses. Let’s take the heat off of Lee Clark and the young, inexperienced players. The reason why we have the team we do is solely, exclusively, disgracefully down to ownership and financial mismanagement. It’s the root of all our current problems. You can’t make a silk purse from a sow’s ear but you can try your darndest. From what I can see, we are trying our best with what we’ve got. If Lee can plumb the depths of human courage and resourcefulness from this rag-tag band of brothers that is our team, he will and there WILL be surprises. But we fans must acknowledge our plight and be realistic. Birmingham/Warwickshire.Midlander people are at their best with their backs against the wall. Even with present performances, results and talents, I love the Blues and always will; just as I love my Brummie people, so KRO. Well maybe except this bloke I ran into at the Bull in Mosley once…oh never mind you know what I mean.

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