Often Partisan

The Times They Are a-Changin’

News broke yesterday that Birmingham City had parted company with assistant manager Terry McDermott and first team coach Derek Fazackerley yesterday in the wake of the club’s record equalling eleventh home league game without a win. The club have currently refused to comment but it is widely reported in the press that both have departed.

The club statement which was issued yesterday afternoon acknowledged that there was speculation about the two departing the club but confirmed that there was to be no official comment. The brevity of the statement would suggest that there is some legal wrangling over the departure of the two coaches and that until financial packages etc are sorted out nothing further would be said.

Colin Tattum has written in the Birmingham Mail that it is likely that Steve Watson and Richard Beale will be given more responsibility now and that no new coaches will be brought in; it’s my opinion that maybe Clark will look to his senior players to also be involved in coaching with the example being Paul Robinson who is doing his coaching badges even now.

I have to admit that I think the departure of Fazackerley and McDermott is probably a good thing – as much as we don’t know what goes on behind the scenes at Wast Hills I never got the impression that they contributed much; someone has to carry the can for Blues poor home form and maybe a shakeup on the training ground will do the trick. I know that Richard Beale is highly rated as a coach and from what I have seen myself he seems to command the respect of the players despite his youthful age.

The thought I can see going through people’s mind is if this decision has come from on high; I’m in the camp along with Tatts that the decision hasn’t come from HK. If it had been Pannu who had swung the axe then in all probability Clark would have gone too – whether these departures is a prelude to Clark being pushed/walking remains to be seen.

In the meantime, BIH have announced to the stock exchange that the disposal of 12% of the club is based on a valuation of the club of HK$300million and that the money raised from the deal would be used for “routine daily operations” – in other words the money is more than likely to stay in HK to be used to pay outstanding debts and to keep the company running rather than being invested in the club. There has been no further news as to who this company are or what their plans are and I guess we will have to wait and see to see if they indeed have a strategy to improve revenue streams into the club by marketing it in mainland China.

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165 Responses to “The Times They Are a-Changin’”

  • Lee says:

    McDermott leaving can only be a good thing

  • Barry Gibb says:

    At first when I was told I thought that LC would not be far behind. He has practically grown up with these two and I thought HK where forcing him to resign. After reading his thoughts on the game and his tippy tappy comments I think he is blaming the tactics and results on these two pensioners
    I think its a bit of a poor show if that is the case LC has been saying he wants us to play football and not hoof it. its he that went to Barcelona in the summer to get tips aand advice on tippy tappy. After 15 mins on Saturday it was quite obvious that it was not working yet he failed to change it Not mac and Fac its his decision the buck stops with him
    Saying that I do feel them going is good. You never see any animation from them on the sides.

    • mike ware says:

      He did change it

    • StaffsBlue says:

      I’m with Lee Clark 100% on the “tippy-tappy” thing. I’d much rather see the ball swept out to the winger, see him beat one, beat two, then cross for the striker to glide in and head/volley the ball home…. than see 30 passes end up back at the keeper. I can’t watch that type of football, even if it is Blues.

      OP got it right.. “The Times They Are-A-Changin,'” and a flipping good thing too. Things have become very interesting now.

  • Agent McLeish says:

    Can’t see the departure of these guys having a negative impact on the club. What is more interesting is the reason(s) for the departures. It could be something as simple as the fact they have received a better and more secure job offer from another club. I just wish it was CY and PP that were gone.

  • nicko says:

    i cant see lee clark pushing his old friends out it must have come from h/k perhaps they are hoping
    that lee clark will resign. if richard beale is to be promoted it wont be a bad thing he is well respected around the club, and the man is very loyal
    kro nicko

  • Poppa999 says:

    Meanwhile the Daily Mail says Malky McKay is being lined up for Norwich job. ‘Come home Chrissy!’

    • Art Watson says:

      Here here.

      I rate him in the top 3 managers at the club.

      • Agent McLeish says:

        Zero chance of that happening. He left the first opportunity he had.

        • StaffsBlue says:

          I hope to God that Hughton doesn’t come back. I was glad when he left. Not once in the year he was here, did he ever commit himself to the club.

          • Paul Carter - a lover of BCFC he says:

            Couldn’t agree more, backstabbing Judas left the minute the going got tough and kept us hanging all season. Hopefully Norwich go down, sack him and he doesn’t get another helping hand to get back into the game which we have him.

          • mr_crosby says:

            Yes I’d much rather watch the painful football we’ve had for the last 2 seasons.
            Watch Clark do the same if he’s ever offered anything.

        • steve says:

          Chris Hughton was told by Pannu that new owners were coming in.He obviously saw through their bull sh1t and left.Do you really blame him? credit to him for getting us to the play offs and dealing with europe.

      • Harborneblue says:

        Art Watson says:
        February 18, 2014 at 9:01 am

        Here here.

        I rate him in the top 3 managers at the club.

        Really? Better than McLeish, Francis, Merrick, Goodwin Sir Alf and Bruce etc
        Yes Hughton steadied the ship but the star players we’re signed by Mcleish, Burke King etc Exactly who apart from Redmond has been successful from players he’s signed at Norwich?
        He jumped ship at first opportunity showing no loyalty unlike Bruce who turned down Newcastle and regularly beat the VILE, now he is a legend!

      • bluenose08 says:

        Here,here too, got the best out of what he was given to work with. Come home. CH.

    • Frankie says:

      To be honest, I think Lee Clark is a far superior manager in EVERY way to Chris Hughton, much as a I like the guy.

    • Thejudge says:

      Would love to see CH back at blues, disagree he ‘only’ steadied the ship.. Almost sent us back up more like. People seem to forget our unbeaten home run and some outstanding performances against milwall, reading etc (granted he had slightly more resources but still!) LC has more passion, particularly for blues and so far has shown a very good knowledge of the loan and youth market but in terms of watching football, for me CH got blues playing better.
      I know Stephen Carr turned down a coaching role but if we were going to have a new coach then he’s got my backing.
      Kro delay no more

      • Frankie says:

        Hmm, yes, Stan Cullis hadc quite a successful period also.
        Maybe we should dig him up and re-appoint ?

      • jdf2473 says:

        No old managers to return thanks!! We’ve hardly been blessed with playing silky football and winning trophies left right and centre!! They’ve all been pretty average to be fair. A total new start is required from the top of the club to the bottom. We need to start moving forwards not always going backwards

        • Thejudge says:

          Whilst I do agree with you pal, would you really turn down the chance of re-signing the likes of Foster, Mutch, Redmond, Butland etc if the opportunity ever arised? Players that could improve the team. It’s no different to coaching staff.

  • psmith says:

    I am always dubious of appointing friends into senior posts because there usually comes a time when the bullet has to be bit and farewells must be said. Because of friendship this decision perhaps should have taken place weeks ago and hopefully the damage can be saved. Moving these two on will send a stern message to all at the club, i.e. to continue as we are is to sink into relegation and from now on it is all hands to the pumps. A fresh approach MIGHT stimulate the squad and certainly fresh ideas from the senior pros will be welcome. Well worth a try and I am certain that LC knows that if this move fails he will be on his way out. Meanwhile KRO

  • Macc Lad says:

    No he didn’t leave the first opportunity he had. he turned down Albion.

  • Whizzy Wheels says:

    Personally I think LC will follow soon.

    Whether it be walking or pushed. One more home defeat will be enough.

    • Ali Duncan says:

      At any other club, probably. At Blues, no. Money aside I think they’d wait until the end of the season to pull the trigger.

  • Mario says:

    Almajir this must be the begining of the end for Clark ? Btw have you found out the connection between this 12 % group and Carson yet?!! I’m sure you will

  • Evesham blue says:

    If results don’t improve at home soon then LC will have no one else to blame but himself. At least it proves one thing – BIHL does have the money for severance payments now! Far too long it’s been jobs for the boys IMO

    • Agent McLeish says:

      Change that to home results. The away results have been good, superb if you consider the resources available.

      • StaffsBlue says:

        It always makes me smile when people blame the manager for poor results. In my book… it’s always the players who are to blame.. every time. It’s the players who fail to put away chances, it’s the players who make cock ups that lead to goals.. not the manager. It’s also the players who are responsible for wins. The manager picks the team and sends them out. Then it’s up to them.

        • Evesham blue says:

          The manager is there to pick the right team and tactics and prepare the team beforehand. I guess that includes motivating his players who he has picked. Who does the buck stop with then mate if results are shocking at home?

          • StaffsBlue says:

            The players are the ones who actually…play. I don’t know which part of that people don’t understand! To think the manager trains them all week, then sends them out to lose is just ludicrous. If they don’t heed what they’re being told, all he can do is change things until they do.

        • A Turton says:

          if that were true, there would be no point in having a manager….
          They take the plaudits when their team win… the buck stops with them when they lose.

          If its all about the players, then whats all this fuss about Mouriniho?? You think he has had no influence? You think players aren’t giving that little bit extra because they are playing for him?

          Your not normally naive Staffs, but I think your view on this is…..

          • StaffsBlue says:

            It’s not the manager who kicks the ball around on a Saturday afternoon. It’s not the manager who makes stupid mistakes on the ball, or fails to do his defensive duties, or fails to score. I don’t think that’s naive. Lee Clark take his fair share of criticism… it’s about time the players stood up and were counted.

      • Evesham blue says:

        I said results at home. Extremely poor home form. Not good enough. No excuses.

    • tmsblues says:

      They might not have the money and this is a shock for them. If they have then they should tell Clark he goes with them for not going through the prescribed process to a sacking conclusion… but more importantly because he should be told to go too because he is the one responsible not the assistants !! Clark manages to make constant change now he should be changed ! Put Beale in charge.

  • Chrisg says:

    I remember when Terry Mac 1st came in, huddersfield fans saying the only contribution he made to training was he told good jokes, if that was the case im not surprised hes gone & were in the position were in. Seems now the jokes on him!!!

    • Bham Terrier says:

      Even his jokes weren’t that good Chris. Although he did always put the cones out in a straight line

  • Ali Duncan says:

    I think we’re right to be suspicious of what happened because there is so much we could speculate on regarding TMcD, Faz, LC and Hong Kong and of course no comms about it (absolute standard). Birmingham City is also like a soap opera.

    I too questioned their ability. They seemed to be phantom staff on the touchline. Never out of their seats and showing, IMO, little interest. Hard to comment as I’ve not attended training sessions but they didn’t give off an air of having authority, any tactical input or a desire to achieve. Say what you like about LC but he shows passion and you can see that defeat hurts him. The other two just looked like they were there for a pay cheque.

    • StaffsBlue says:

      Hear hear! My view is, that this hasn’t come from HK, if it had, I think Lee Clark, being the man he is, would have walked too. I believe he was so incensed by the defeat on Saturday, that he probably didn’t get much sleep and had a long hard think about things and decided changes were needed. I’ll be very surprised if it came from above.

      • tmsblues says:

        I think that’s a good theory Staffs. However there might be 2 scenarios I could suggest. I don’t see Clark as an inspiring leader and certainly not one with a command of the language to motivate but he is passionate and maybe he just blew up at everyone including his old friends who tried to respond and were told they could go forth and multiply too! So this gets reported to HK who are shocked or who don’t know what to do because they have no budget to pay severance !! Whoops ! Hence no comment and a big legal wrangle behind the scenes. Its quite possible he’d have to change his mind Ha!
        On the other hand is it HK led and like Malky McKay was he told to bullet his friends in the hope he’ll do the honourable thing and walk. Even the guys in HK can work out that regardless of how good we are away from home and regardless of our divisional / league status, home support like the Stans atmosphere is dying and will dwindle to single figure thousands pretty soon along with revenues and so the losses will grow!! New shareholders of just bought a 12% share in a publicly advertised rapid business decline… maybe they have had an influence. Will Clark be next on home form he should be gone now ! To say we have a psychological team fear problem is obvious unfortunately its taken from October to realise the Psychologists should have been working with the team on this issue!! Its all a bit late !

        • StaffsBlue says:

          We’ll no doubt find out the truth in the fullness of time. Until then, all our views are just mere speculation, including mine.

      • steve says:

        from what i was told Lee Clark tried to talk them out of resigning.Lets wait and see where they turn up.

        • Tmsblues says:

          That’s interesting Steve that was probably after he had calmed down and realised he wouldn’t be able to sanction the financials!! Or was it that Mac and faz also couldn’t stand turning up to watch another fiasco at Stan’s. And they split on the basis of mental cruelty !

  • Oldbluenose says:

    O-K, Most of us wanted their departure, — well now we have got it.

    As said in an earlier post, Lee Clark now stands or falls on his decions as Watson and Beale will surely be more of an asset to the squad.

  • pierre says:

    i personally think behind the scenes,any potential investors would rather look at a championship team trying to get in premiership next season,rather one trying to get out of league one.

  • Richard Granfield says:

    My ideal appointment would be Mike Phelan, the former Man U coach, to assist LC until the end of the season. That would certainly breathe new life into the players.

    • Agent McLeish says:

      Can’t see anyone coming in from outside the club. They’ll be internal appointments.

      • StaffsBlue says:

        Ex-assistants rarely do any good as managers.

        • Richard Granfield says:

          I don’t want him as a manager I want him as a coach (as previously posted). To appoint from within solves nothing i.e. same old same old. The players need to see a new face on the training pitch with new ideas and a proven track record. Mike Phelan or someone of his of his calibre is desperately needed.

          • StaffsBlue says:

            I beg your pardon, I missed that bit. I wouldn’t be averse to him bring someone with experience in to help out.

    • tmsblues says:

      And with what would Blues pay him?? They’ve just inherited an unexpected payoff courtesy of Clark.

  • mark says:

    If clark has had enough and wants to freshen things up well done to him.sometimes you have to take these decisions which is deemed in the best interested of bcfc.

  • The Francis Fake says:

    Totally agree with Richard, Mike Phelan would be great if we could get him.

    It may have been that LC had a row with Faz & Mac on Sunday and fired them on the spot with authority from above. Hence the way it has been handled since.

    • tmsblues says:

      It is interesting how he’s sacked his support team forgetting the obvious (as usual where Clark is concerned) that when you point your finger of accusation at least three others are pointing at you!
      Normally its the leader takes responsibility accepts his failings and falls on his sword rather than indicating its all the support team’s fault with a golden goodbye. Clark is a legend in his own mind and ‘doing an incredible job’ (playing away) and obviously bears no responsibility for the Clubs decline at home. If we can win away we can at home its Clark that needs changing not the team, the tactics or the supporting management !!

  • DoctorD says:

    The questions I havei are:
    1. Did the dodgy duo leave or were they pushed and, if so, was it by LC or from on high?
    2. Why were they pushed out — was it a lack of tactical nous, a sudden disagreement, or a wish to get fresh ideas in?
    3. Does this leave Clark weakened or strengthened?
    4. Will anyone new come into the club on the management and coaching side?
    5. How will the players react to the change: who stands to gain and who stands to lose?

    By the way, can anyone explain the difference in duties between manager, assistant manager and first-team coach? Surely the latter two just put the boss’s ideas into practice. In which case, surely any new assistants will make the same mistakes. I’d love to be a fly on the wall at Wast Hills.

    • StaffsBlue says:

      1. Pushed.
      2. Fresh ideas.
      3. Strengthened, definitely.
      4. No.
      5. It will be a close-knit, younger coaching team, one that deals with all levels of the playing side.

      Those are my thoughts anyway.

  • The Flying Pig says:

    For me, the key thing is going to be the true reason for their departure; whether we will ever know that is another question.

    If the reason is financial, then I would assume that the new Chairman must have been involved and it could be that LC would take umbrage.

    If it for a footballing reason, then i would take that as a positive. I would assume that LC has made that call and has been backed to do so, as it will cost us in terms of severance. I would applaud him for doing that if that is what he feels is necessary as I’m sure it would be a very difficult decision for him as they go back a long way. Is it also likely to be something of a deflective mechanism for him? Picture the scene; “Lee this isn’t good enough, what are you going to do about it?” The CEO [or equivalent] under pressure, often needs to find a scapegoat or two.

  • Cotswold Blue says:

    I wonder if this is the prelude to LC going – depends on whether or not he can find anyone else to blame…

    • StaffsBlue says:

      I think Lee Clark loves this club and the supporters and he will do whatever he has to, to make this club successful… if that means getting shot of two old cronies, so be it. It’s the club that matters.

      • Evesham blue says:

        How can you say LC’s position has been strengthened? He has lost his best pals. It’s a results business. Carry on losing at home = Tic Tac for him. It’s a clear message. It either galvanises the team/results or he is next surely?

        Before we couldn’t sack him as we couldn’t afford it. Do you think LC sacked them without authorisation from HK bearing in mind our current financial strictures?

        • StaffsBlue says:

          Lost? Who said he’s “lost” them? If he feels they’re not doing the job he needs them to do, he has every right to change things. I’m all for these new changes, as someone already said, they maybe should have come sooner.

        • Tmsblues says:

          I think he’s daft enough to have fired them and thought about the consequencial issues after! staffs point below could of course be valid but I cannot see how LC can think laying the blame on others is the right decision after all Staffs neither employee was on the pitch kicking the ball, messing up were they and if that’s the reason you think LC is not for firing why so for Mac and faz ? sack the lot ,

    • tmsblues says:

      He’s certainly trying to indicate he’s not at fault…. he’s doing an incredible job … who says so Lee Clark so it must be right mmm? But he does change his mind !

  • mark says:

    Equally blue fans seek scapegoats……

  • chris says:

    hk$ 300 mill so that values clubs assets at around £23 million not the share price value of £30 mill plus

  • Frankie says:

    The people who need to be leaving the club are: Pannu, Yeung, plus all their acolytes.

  • Paul Carter - a lover of BCFC he says:

    Lee Clark is a trier, a battler and epitomises the working class base of this club.

    My thoughts on these departures are that Lee wants to change things so dismissed his team. I think had it come from above Lee would have walked with his pals.

    All gone quiet on the new Greek guy, his role and his plans.

  • Mezz says:

    If true then Clark sacking the pair is a shocking way of saving your own backside. He is the manager and he has the final say on tactics and training. To shift the blame onto these pair is shocking. LC is tactically the most inept manager I’ve seen at Blues. His tactics and team selections have been questionable since the day he walked through the doors.

    • StaffsBlue says:

      “He is the manager and he has the final say on tactics and training. To shift the blame onto these pair is shocking.”

      Little bit of a contradiction there Mezz. He is the manager and has the final say. If he says all change, that’s his perogative. If he feels something needs changing for the good of the club, he would be negligent not to do so. But, whatever he does, some people won’t be happy until he’s gone. That’s fair enough, but I’m not one of them.

    • Frankie says:

      Always have a little laugh when I hear a Blues fan use the word TACTICS.
      To avoid sounding equally as silly, I deliberately do not make pronouncements about nuclear fissure and the like.

    • tmsblues says:

      He changes winning teams and tactics like they’re going out of fashion ! These sackings are ca disgraceful abdication of his responsibilities to try to lay the blame and save his own neck!

      • mark says:

        Maybe the players neglecting in taking responsibility on the pitch unfortunately you cannot see that…oh dear me

        • mark says:

          Your quick please don’t neglect the missus on my account this was with regards to the hudders game.

          • Tmsblues says:

            We don’t really need a manager let the team pick itself and agree the if own tactics. There’s no point in giving someone executive responsibility if they can’t accept it and the consequences of failure.

  • AussieBlue says:

    We already look like and are behaving like a Conference club or at best Burton Albion ( no disrespect) – and that’s where we’re heading under this kind of ownership.
    I love the way Dan stays schtum when important questions like Mario’s ” Btw have you found out the connection between this 12 % group and Carson yet?!!”
    The answer is ‘wait for the book and you’ll find out!!!’
    BTW Dan – how about an update on the book on Kickstarter?

    • almajir says:

      Aussie

      Maybe I stay schtum because there is nothing more to be said? Maybe I don’t know if there is a connection and haven’t been able to trace anything? I’m not the all seeing eye you know…

      as for an update – I hope to have something up very shortly.

    • iMirkwood says:

      Read what Dan writes at the top of this column – “There has been no further news as to who this company are or what their plans are.” Seems clear enough to me.

  • sappy sad says:

    no change just more cutbacks this time to afford the new
    directors expences..soon all we will have to cut is our own
    throats …it is time that the board had a good look at themselves
    and realised that as custodians of birmingham city if they cannot
    make this club self sufficient soon then it will be time to admit failure
    ..their is no disgrace in failure unless you cannot admit it

  • Royalblue says:

    Find it hard to believe Clarke would get rid of both of them!
    Wouldnt be surprised if Lee Clarke is not our manager after the Blackpool game.

  • Chris W says:

    And so the farce goes on.
    I understand that legal implications but the club could at least acknowledge the fact that “both had in fact left the club, but can add nothing else until legal ramifications were concluded”.
    Is it not unusual to sack the backroom staff before the manager, if they have been sacked?
    Is LC under the black cloud that if they lose again he is for the chop and so pre-warned is two closest allies that they should seek employment elsewhere?
    So many possibilities that even Hong Kong don’t know what is happening.
    As for the money, another statement that has many undertones.
    Probably the only thing we know for certain none of the money is coming to the club.
    KRO+DNM

  • Tony says:

    Terry Mac was only ever employed as a comfort blanket for Clark and boy does he need one,the new coach should be experienced enough to put pressure on Clark, to sideline him and make him walk. Simples

  • Tony says:

    Im sure this has come from Hk Clark does not have the authority to sack then, compensation has to be paid he would have to get that authorized

    • StaffsBlue says:

      We don’t know what happened yet Tony. He might well have phoned/skyped HK over Saturday night and told them of his plans and to get the ok for the changes. IF, it was HK that sacked them, it’s the best thing for Clark in the long run… and I hope he sees that.

      • Chris W says:

        Can’t say I am a fan of LC, what I do think he has been dealt a bum hand and had to endure more problems than most manager only think could happen. LC has performed miracles under testing circumstances and had to rebuild the side at least 4 times with little or no money.
        For that I salute him, he has worked tirelessly and diligently, giving no less than 100% for the club and all he expects is the same in return. He has been let down by his players and his so called friends in his backroom staff, who have now either walked or been pushed.
        I’d like to think it is a move of Clark’s choice, but I was once in the position where the boss was ordered to dismiss those under him or face the sack himself, he chose the former but lost his position soon after.
        I think it would be unfair to sack LC given the job he has done, he will remain till the end of the season and if things haven’t improved then I can see the new chairman bringing in someone else, but I also think anyone new will be given a war chest to spend on players, a luxury that LC has never had at Blues.
        KRO+DNM

    • tmsblues says:

      If he did it in a fit of rage its quite possible he had no authority hence the legals now!

      • Tmsblues says:

        Chances are he hasn’t got the budget to pay them off so the only way out is to put them on gardening leave. So no cost or saving will be incurred but he won’t get any extra staff. He therefore won’t have anyone else to blame. I do agree Clark is a worker and trier but if he can’t set us up to win at home then he’s no use to the club it’s supporters or owners.

    • almajir says:

      Tony – it hasn’t.

  • Tony says:

    Staffs Although I respect your views greatly we disagree on Clark, to me anything that facilitates his removel is fair, you take the opposite view fair enough.

    • StaffsBlue says:

      I don’t mind anyone having a different opinion to me Tony, I just don’t like the “Clark Out at any cost” agenda. We don’t need to lower ourselves to the likes of Fulham and Cardiff. We’re better than that.

      I couldn’t stand Chris Hughton, I never trusted the man.. but I supported him 100% whilst he was manager. That’s what I do.

      • Agent McLeish says:

        Agree Staffs, some don’t realise what a good job LC is doing in appalling circumstances. Agree on CH as well, and don’t forget how we flopped in the play-offs under CH. Put me in the trenches with LC any day.

        • StaffsBlue says:

          I can see what Lee Clark is trying to do. He wants good football, exciting football for the fans. If the people he’s relying on (coaches and players) can’t buy into that, get rid.

          I was sat there on Saturday, thinking the centre half will get the ball, then pass it to the other centre half, who will pass it to the full back. A midfielder will come back, receive the ball and pass it to the centre back… and the whole cycle starts again. It’s exactly what was happening. Tippy-tappy football going nowhere. Lee Clark doesn’t want that.. and I certainly don’t. These changes can only be for the good as far as I’m concerned.

          • carlos says:

            Staffs, that’s the sign of a team with no confidence, it isn’t a tactic. They are all taking the easy option, no one is showing for the ball and they are playing the easy ball and letting someone else have the responsibility instead of making things happen themselves. When you have a team of young lads and somewhat limited players they need strong leadership and organisation, not constant chopping and changing. Lee Clark makes everything so complicated, the players do not know whether they are coming or going.

          • StaffsBlue says:

            …and away? Who is showing the strong leadership then? Who is deciding on tactics and inspiring the players then?

            There’s a problem at home and I don’t think it’s the manager or tactics, or even the selection as such. Whoever he selects for the team, or what tactics, each player should be able to do the basics.. passing, closing down, etc. If they can’t they should pack it in now. I still say that it’s a mental block at home. Like Clark said, it seems they’re frightened to death to play at home. Perhaps they feel they’re under much more pressure at home, to please the fans.

          • Chris W says:

            I see your point Staffs but at home you have to admit the fans have stuck with the team and LC, a few boo’s and after a game moans and groans but during the game I have never heard any abuse or booing.
            The chant on Saturday was more light hearted banter than a true criticism when we finally had a shot in the second half.
            So it has to be mental or psychological and I am surprised we don’t have any psychologists offering some self belief or help.
            KRO+DNM

          • StaffsBlue says:

            ChrisW. I agree with you. I don’t think it’s the fans are that bad at home, but obviously some players do.

  • StaffsBlue says:

    BCFC have extended Emyr Huws and Albert Rusnak’s loans until the end of the season.

    • Chris W says:

      Huws is a great deal, I am not sure with Rusnak, he hasn’t seemed to play that well but maybe following in Lingards footsteps I expected more.
      Any deal at the moment has to bring some consistency and stability to the club and the team.
      KRO+DNM

  • Harbsbleu says:

    Lets support LC, he has no ugly, mean and tough players, no help from the board and now no mates! He has got us fans, so fingers X’ed and we avoid the relegation trap door. KRO

  • pierre says:

    i think people are being naive if they don’t think there is some influence from HK,probably through the Greek guy .Unfortunately where money gets involved,scruples goes by the wayside.

  • StaffsBlue says:

    If Lee Clark is such a crap manager, why do premier clubs allow their players to come to the club. Why does almost every player that joins us say that Clark was an influence in them coming to the club. The players always look happy in pictures of them training etc.

    To think that the players have a problem with Lee Clark is just wishful thinking on the part of some.

    • Chris W says:

      I think the only players LC had a problem with have now left, the likes of Scott Allen and Ziggy have issues that they have bought on themselves with attitude and self-motivation.
      Even players who have left, apart from Ambrose who had a swipe at LC, have held LC in high regard as a manager.
      I don’t doubt that strong words were said at Sundays debrief, if there wasn’t then they should all walk away now. Nothing is coming out of the Blues camp to the contrary, would Huws or Rusnak agree to an extension if there was disharmony.
      I am looking forward to Blackpool more so now as I think Blackpool are probably the second worse team in the division at the moment behind Charlton.
      KRO+DNM

    • mark says:

      Staffsblue more of a slur, for over two years the same posters continue with their hate campaign against Clark. If he goes they find someone else to moan about…….no change there same shit different day lol

  • dave mann says:

    lee clark will always do whats right in his mind while hes manager but tacticly ime
    beginning to wonder what the hell hes doing with formation, team selection and
    some dodgy substitutions, he knows the score so who am i to knock him but he
    will get my support while hes manager or when the fans start to turn on him who
    go down to games and whos opinion is warranted……if a new manager does
    come in and replace clark then hes to be supported and clark should get a huge
    thankyou from genuine blues supporters for his efforts. KRO.

  • sappy sad says:

    i to somtimes doubt L.C s player selections but then see a
    player that played great one week and crap the next’ and
    so see why he is dropped .as only consistant players are good
    enough at this level never mind the prem.i do think mind you
    that with muscles like iron at this stage of the season that
    managers should start to ease off with heavy training to
    avoid a list of injuries .i know steve coppell won this league
    by resting his players when ever he could when with reading
    and swore by it….L.C must stay kro

    • StaffsBlue says:

      Ian Taylor was talking about this with Tom Ross last night. They were saying that it’s consistent players that win you games… and it’s absolutely true. But, to be fair to Lee Clark, with all the young players he has, that consistency isn’t going to be there.. that’s why he’s always insisted on dipping them in and out. As for the older, experienced players, if they can’t show consistency now, well, it’s a bit too late for them.

      I’m just hoping that we can keep our own younger players and build the future of the club around them.

  • Roy Smith says:

    To all those people who say it’s all about the players and it’s not the managers fault when it goes wrong, why does everyone go on about how brilliant Sir Alex Ferguson was? I suppose he had nothing to do with Man Ure’s success.
    I think LC has done well this year all things considered, but that does not mean that I think he’s a good manager. I would not risk him with a decent budget as I don’t think his past record at Huddersfield where he did have a fair amount to spend suggests that he would spend it wisely.

  • andy says:

    With all the turmoil that has gone on off the pitch and all the best players sold off, Birmingham are a recipe for disaster and supporters should be thankful to Lee Clark if he defies the odds and keeps Blues in the Championship.

  • Tony says:

    No Andy the minimum requirement is 10-12th

    • Mac says:

      Why 10th – 12th.

      On what basis? No budget for players, No budget for Wages. Any player who shows promise sold for cash or returned to patent club Get real! you just don’t like L.C. Every post confirms it,

      • Tony says:

        Mac that was the position I set for him at the start of the season I see no reason to change it, after all the reasons you mention does not seem to effect the away form.

  • andy says:

    The minimum requirement is not to go the same way as Leeds once did, Coventry have and many other clubs who fell from grace. Under the circumstances, if Blues finished halfway up the table, it would be a minor miracle. If Blues retain their Championship status, it is a job well done by Clark.

  • mano says:

    L. Clarks record at home over the last two seasons is a disgrace, continuely changing a winning team does not bode well with any player, after losing HIS trusted lieutenants, I fear the players will soon revolt,

  • StaffsBlue says:

    A lot of people in football are saying what a good job Lee Clark is doing under extreme circumstances… the likes of Peter Beagrie. Even ex-Villa player Ian Taylor in today’s BM.

    “You have to take your hat off to Lee and say he’s doing a great job under the circumstances. Especially as every club needs stability and Blues are probably one of the most unstable clubs in the league at the moment.”

    These are the people who know what they’re talking about… not someone with an anti-Clark agenda.

    • steve says:

      Taylor isn’t going to slag off a local manager in a local paper.He doesn’t have to watch the crap we do.Who are you to say that the fans that won’t join in the Lee Clark love in,don’t know what they’re talking about ?

      • StaffsBlue says:

        Because that’s it. Nothing else. Nothing constructive. Just Clark is crap/Clark must go! Yes, we get the message, we got it a long time ago thanks.

        • steve says:

          Load of crap.People could say the same about you and the fact that elsie can do no wrong in your eyes.It’s their opinion.It doesn’t mean they don’t know what they’re talking about.We have been watching this pap for 2 years.Do you really think if we could afford to sack him,he would still be here ?

          • StaffsBlue says:

            I have criticised Clark myself when I’ve felt it was needed. I’ve mentioned the subs being too late at times and I’ve criticised him over the imbalance on the left hand side. I’ve also been bemused by some of his selections. But then I was by some of Hughton’s too, but I didn’t call for his head either.

            I appreciate what a difficult job Clark has had in the last 2 seasons… and no, I don’t think any other manager could have done any better in the circumstances.

          • Blueboy88 says:

            The game is up when dyed in the wool Vilers like Taylor say Clark is doing a good job …
            He is taking the p^^^ big time

            As for Clark has got a hard job ?
            Name a football manager who hasn’t ?

  • Johnners says:

    My take on the departures is that LC lost patience after the performance on Saturday, figuring that if he didn’t take action himself then his will be the next neck on the line. He was clearly very wound up after Saturday and not mincing his words in criticising the team. I have respect for what he has done because it is one of the most difficult jobs of a manager to sack loyal assistants. It doesn’t happen very often. I think it shows the extent of his determination amd ambition to succeed in this role. It also mirrors what he is doing with the team itself ie ditching the old guard amd giving fresh, young blood a chance to shine. The measure will be in the response of the team in the next 3-4 games, particularly at home. Within a month LC will either have ressurrected his propsects as a bright, young manager or he will have nailed himself into his own coffin. In that respect I think his boldness deserves to succeed.

  • bluenoserob says:

    can anyone think of a time when the main coaches have been booted from a club and not the manager? , seems to me that this is the begining of something not the conclusion.

  • Tony says:

    Something that has not yet been mentioned is the fact that Clark knew these two jokers well, he knew better than anyone Terry Macs failings, yet he still brought them to the club why?.

  • andy says:

    We still don’t know what has actually happened other than both have apparently left the club. Nothing at all has been confirmed by Clark, the club or the owners. I am sure if Clark had wanted to rid of them both permission would have to be granted from Hong Kong due to the severance payments?

  • StaffsBlue says:

    Well done to Demarai Gray who played the full game on his debut for England U18s in their 4-0 win against Belgium!

  • Tony says:

    Thats what I have been saying Andy

    • Tmsblues says:

      Do you really think that someone who makes such baffling basic decisions about the team ie somethings he should know about, has a clear and full understanding of employment law and severance payoffs !

  • StaffsBlue says:

    I read this about Alan Pardew and Newcastle this morning;

    “Pardew is the patsy in the middle. He obviously decided long ago that the best way to keep his job would be to shoulder each fresh indignity without complaint, whether it was the sale of his best players without replacement, or the appointment of an overseer who soon became a professional joke.

    Pardew never offers even mild dissent against Mike Ashley’s running of the club, which wins him few friends among the fans. As Ashley hasn’t turned up for a home game since September, it makes the manager the only visible senior club official on match day. No wonder there is tension.

    If Villa was to be his last game, unlike some former colleagues Pardew would leave with his reputation enhanced. It is merely his misfortune to be saddled with a club that has lost its purpose. They might sack him one day, but it still won’t mean they care.”

    Has a familiar ring to it.

    • chas says:

      Your post is why we shouldn’t take any notice of crap spouted by the likes of Taylor , a bloke who, on live Radio , groaned in despair when WE WON THE CUP against Arsenal, a bloke who will take every chance to have a dig at the Club. There are lots of Clubs in as much mess as we are, and we are no where near Fulham for embarrassment.

  • I have sent comments from time to time. Unlike the usual suspects Some are sincere . Others are bitchy.others absolute dreamers. There are those who obviously fancy themselves as managers,
    not many face the reality of football. Lets start with the facts . Since league football started after the war the best season ever in 55{56 cup finalists, 6th in the league.the highest ever. There are clubs with fine records,and others with dismal ones. We come in the last list.. I can only think o a small number of teams with a poorer record ,. Like every club, managers come and go. The clubs record of handling staff is terrible. Attempts were made to buy good players Top wages were offered .Players took short term contracts and quickly moved to bigger clubs. Attendances we never have attracted big crowds . IIt seems to me that the future is for there to be 3 or so club in any country with the finances, the grounds and large populations that survive.. The problem is ownership. Without deep pockets and capable to spend the future is dismal for most teams Only Germany with a system that includes fans might be different Some attempts are being made to make rules as to the number of players. It is noticeable that such ideas are attacked by papers like the Daily Mail who support the right to allow those with the money to tie up large numbers of talented youngsters ,usually farming them out for experience
    and calling them back when needed or obtaining transfer fees . This seems to be the trend. The consequence is that a few clubs will compete for titles with all that is left is competing for minor or lessor prizes In short the scene has been set. You are either in or out so the question that I put to all you blues fans which are we in ? and likely to remain

  • mark says:

    http://www.bcfc.com/news/article/20140219-having-a-ball-at-st.-andrews-1369659.aspx?

    I mentioned before Daniel that we are a family run club the days of the hooligan element have way gone buried hopefully in the archives……Supporters should be proud of bcfc, and what we stand for, and people who work for bcfc making the experience a sound one…….

  • mark says:

    http://www.bcfc.com/news/article/20140219-having-a-ball-at-st.-andrews-1369659.aspx?

    I mentioned before Daniel that we are a family run club the days of the hooligan element have way gone buried hopefully in the archives……Supporters should be proud of bcfc, and what we stand for, and people who work for bcfc making the experience a sound one…….


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