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The Next Episode
Birmingham City manager Lee Clark has told the Birmingham Mail that he has no idea what budget is in place for the club for next season. In a frank interview with Colin Tattum Clark has spoken about not knowing who he can offer renewed contracts to or who he can look at to bring in on Bosman free transfers and the concern that is causing as he looks to start preparing for the 2014/15 season.
Although we’re not really fully into the close season with the last week of the Premier League to conclude along with the playoffs, I have to admit my concern that Clark has no idea what the situation is financially. As much as I am still of the belief that I don’t think Clark should be in the Blues job for the long-term I also accept that he’s the man in possession and while that is the case he has to be given the tools to work with.
Under Football League regulations, Blues have until Saturday May 17 to tell players who they want to offer new deals to and who they are going to release. They can defer specifying the terms of the new contracts for a short while but they have to commit to offering one – and it appears Blues aren’t currently in a position to do that. As bizarre as it sounds though, I’m wondering if this is a positive.
The way I see it, I know BIH have got to sell the club. As much as there has been scepticism around a sale going ahead the bald fact is that BIH are out of money and they are trying to sell for the best price that they can. It strikes me that if they are umming and ahhing over what funds to commit for the new season it’s because they don’t want to be here in the new season – which means that they will be looking to bail as soon as possible as there is now relatively little money to come in over the next few months. If a new owner is to come in they will want as much of the close season as they can to get settled and to look through the playing and management staff so that when the new season comes the team can hit the ground running.
While I think it won’t be long before we hear news I think the sale process itself may take some time and I think with BIH needed to sell in tranches there will be a transition period which we will have to accept. That being said, that might not as bad as people think – provided BIH allow the newcomers to take charge then I think it will be okay if we have an interim period with both BIH and new board members at St Andrew’s.
It’s been a tough season for the fans but I think the light is coming at the end of the tunnel. With the playing side over and done with now Lee Clark has joined the fans in putting the pressure on to find out what is going on with the future. With a bit of luck he won’t have to wait as long as we have to find out what’s the next chapter in Blues’ story.
Tags: BIH, Lee Clark, The Takeover
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Sorry to say that Clark should not be involved in players contracts or any further dealings as like you under new ownership, I think he will be replaced.
The board have to deal with this swiftly as it’s not fair on Clark or his replacement.
Undecided about Clark, on the one hand I have been critical of some of his team selections but when it mattered I think he got it spot on against Bolton but like you i am not sure if he is the right man long term.
One thing that struck me in his interview with Tatts was his comment tha he can spot a player and I think he is right about this, Randolph, Adeyemi, Burns, Bartley, Macheda, Huws and Ibe were all good signings, obviously there have been others who have not performed as well but that has as much to do with the funds that he had available as much as anything else.
The one thing he has in spades is a passion for the club and that for me counts for an awful lot.
I’m coming round to the view that I would give him until Christmas to see what he can do particularly if he has some money to spend. I think he deserves at least that chance.
Couldn’t agree more
Agree, LC has had to contend with the most severe restrictions. As I keep saying, any manager would have struggled. I’d like to see what he could do with the right backing and support.
Nothing
My goodness. After a season of unremitting rubbish, you want to give this bloke even more time.
Yes, he can spot a player, but he is then clueless as to how to use him to the best. He still after a whole season, does not know his best team or formation.
At best he would make a reasonable number 2 to a good manager.
Here’s hoping Dan.Fingers crossed we will hear something soon!
i think clark will go , im not sad about that for football reasons ,but for the way he has conducted himself and passion he has shown for our club i salute him and wish him all the best.If we ever see him as the away boss someday i for one will show him the respect he deserves.
its a little strange that the last few managers that we have had have all done better than clark ,yet he will most likely the one that looking back will get the most respect .for the way he conducted him self on saturday at least .
And why do you think the last few managers have done better than him Rob? Possibly something to do with having a better hand dealt to them? Let’s be honest, Lee Clarke’s reign just so happens to coincide with ‘no more of the Crown Jewels left in the tin’. Not rocket science really.
I agree with what you say you can’t fault his passion but passion alone won’t get you far in the football world. I hope if we do see him as an away manager its when we need 3 points to be promoted.
Am hoping to buy my season tickets this week or next and would urge all other fans to do the same and show all prospective buyers that we are here waiting for them and like them prepared to back the club financially. I’m sure a sale will be done soon but we need a bit more than someone who can meet the sale price. They have to be able to make funds available to the manager as we need a major rebuild. It’s up to us to show the new owners that we are with them. I would definitely keep Lee as Id like to see his passion for this club given a fair go in terms of personnel.
Voice of nonsense im afraid…. if we all buy in now, we just give bihl more time to dither and try to squeeze a couple more hk dollars out of any prospective bidder, which may in itself turn bidders off. Any bidder will have seen the support over the last 2 games, so they know what they are buying. And the local bidder already knew anyway, so what you say makes no sense to me at all.
Oh what 12months can do. This time last year I was arguing for fans to renew asap to safeguard the jobs of background staff over the Close Season. I now agree with Alex T. My fear is that any Season Ticket sales will go straight to HK and not for the benefit of The Club. Along with my 3 family members I WILL be renewing but will delay as long as possible without risking losing our seats.
Agree, any money coming into the club will be siphoned off to ‘consultancy’ fees.
I agree with this. I will not renew my st because I want it to go towards club not BHL
I can’t afford a season ticket, like last season and work doesn’t allow me to go to enough games to warrant it anyway. Flexi Ticket for me next season.
Wow….Mr Carter…. I actually agree with you for the first time ever. (Did I just say that?). Lee Clarke does indeed deserve his chance to manage our beloved club without both hands tied behind his back. Let’s be honest, what other manager would have put up with the goings on he’s had to deal with. Yes…. He’s made mistakes, but he’s had little choice but to scratch around for loans and scraps and just when he had a half decent backbone to the side, he had the rug pulled swiftly from under him with the bulk being recalled.
The man obviously has the same levels of passion as every single one of us and I for one think he has earned the right to show us what he can do given ‘normal’ circumstances at the Club. Yes, he may prove not to be the man but if we are being completely honest, who (given the ridiculous club circumstances) could have done any better. I’m not sure anyone could have.
My view us, he’s stood by the club and now we should stand by him.
I have raised this question before but there has been little interest in him from other clubs over the last two years. I just think enough is enough. There have been too many strange goings on over the last two years including his two buddies walking out on him and the way he has treated players for us to take another chance on him. I think a lot of people will not renew if he remains in charge. I hope any new owners will not be swayed by Saturdays events and have a look at the situation over two years. In my view it has been farcical and we need a change.
yep you got it in a nutshell
Well put Shirley Blue, maybe you should become the “voice of reason”
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Lee Clark is possibly the worst manager in the division who would want to employ him?. he has not stood by us,he has hung around for his monthly salary. and as such is below contempt. Send him down Pit lad Aye
Sheer passion will not win you anything-it’s about leadership-motivation-man-mangement skills and tactical ability.
Clark doesn’t tick any of these boxes and never will.
Personally I would like to see Clark and C. H. in charge at blues like Clough and Taylor at derby
i think clarke should be at least given the opertunity to build a side without having his hands too tightly tied what hes had to do is unfair on him and as said he can spot a player
In total agreement with Paul, Clark fully deserve his chance to start the season, and why not. Hopefully the players have tuned in to what Clark expects from his players.
We are not the only club in precarious financial situation…. Excited for our young players who will continue with their football eductaion in the championship…. Looks possible that nathan ‘s team will be a goner.
I think Lee Clark should leave BCFC now if he is to have a career in football management. He worked under extreme financial constraints and did an exceptional job but his tactics and team selections, especially in the last few games, were bizarre and disjointed to say the least. Although he kept us up and for all his passion I feel he has done all he can for the club.
I don’t think that supporters should renew season tickets until they know who will benefit from the money, the money has to go into the club funds and not to BIHL.
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I would be surprised if ST renewals are announced yet. I would have thought it a condition of purchase that the bidders reserve that right
I reckon you are right though these guys like selling forward. I suspect the only reason the asking price has been supposedly lowered to £25m is because they have already taken the final £8m parachute payment !
With little in the way of ‘valuable playing staff’ on contract there’s a case to say the Club is worth about £15m rather than £25m !
He didn’t keep us up, on that final day, the fans inspired those players. That wall of sound would have inspired any team.
Now the raw emotion of Saturday has subsided we have got to look at the whole season and the fact we had to rely on Leicester being thoroughly professional on Saturday to survive. I do wonder when people come to fork our for their season tickets they will remember we won only two home games all season and for the most part at St Andrews it was utter garbage. I am sure a lot of the regular away fans feel different which I understand. I accept LC’s hands were tied but over the last two seasons but there have been too many questions over his man management especially bombing players out then bringing them back with no rhyme or reason behind it.
It all depends on the ownership situation. No change I think he will still be there but I think new owners will replace him and I sincerely hope that’s what happens. Passion is great but it’s not more important than know how and ability at this level.
Spot on. LC has bags of perspiration but lacks the inspirational bit and of course as you point out he’s missing the reasoning and rational bits too. Surely a new owner would want a fresh start and have the manager of their choice already in the plan otherwise what is their plan? New Owners must appoint a manager, discuss and agree the budgets and get recruiting and retaining, and as it develops so will the season Ticket sales. Why waste money until these issues are clear, that is unless supporters want more of the same?
Let’s be honest – Blues were lucky to stay up. I’d forgotten about the Barnsley-Doncaster abandonment and how it cost Doncaster 3 points until they talked about it on the FL show on Saturday night. And our points total would have usually seen us relegated in previous seasons.
Was our squad really one of the worst four in the division? I’m struggling to accept that.
I do like Lee Clark’s attitude – if desire and dedication were the only factors that mattered in football management, we’d be fighting off Man Utd for his services.
This all leads me to think that Lee should stay if there is no new investment, because he’s a fighter and will do his utmost to squeeze every last point he can out of whatever squad he has, and also because no other manager will want the job. But if there is some new money, I think we should go with a new guy with a bit more tactical know-how.
It probably can’t happen, but the ideal scenario for me would be for LC to stay on as assistant/head coach. That way he could show his passion to motivate the team whilst learning management skills from a more accomplished strategist.
Hold your season ticket money till you know the ownership, management and player retention/budget issues are resolved ie new owners and new manager. LC does not deserve any longer and under any other regime he would have been gone last year ! There is no doubt he’s passionate but sadly wanting on a number of basic footballing fronts. Don’t let one very emotional and welcome result cloud your thinking. No win at home since Oct is a league record, who would want to buy into the prospect of that continuing ?
hi, dan you say that blues have until 17th may to offer new contracts to the players, that is only 11 days away ?, what chance is there of us knowing who the new owners or part owners are by then , or will the players walk away anyway , because they will want to get settled with other clubs ?, as regards buying a season ticket for next season, i agree with alex t , why give the money to BIHL, LC and the club will not see a penny of it ?. lets wait and see who trys to buy us first ?..kro
Cheerio Lee , all the clues are there you are plainly in nobody’s plans for next season.
Not to worry though I am sure you will a long queue of football club owners looking to employee you based on the great job you have done at Blues..
What clues?
As the manager When owners no longer share what budget is in place for next season , that’s a pretty big one
What budget?
Some interesting concepts going on here. Don’t buy season tickets, the bidders won’t mind lol. Yeah right. Same morons wanted us to go into admin. Good job they only ‘support’ Blues on the net lol.
There will of course always be people who buy items on the basis they always used that product, just like Jaguar owners once did in an act of blind faith and loyalty. But as the quality and performance declined and the product failed on a number of fronts the numbers of ‘supporters’ dwindled and the Brand almost died. Buyers simply needed to see the relaunched, and renewed product before parting with their cash and why shouldn’t they? Now, of course under new ownership and with its historic values restored the Jag is a Birmingham success story and thriving once again having won back its support and even more importantly having brought new users to the Mark. Its not moronic to wait and see but what you get for your money just a sensible way to proceed right now for many fans. They just need to see the hope of change turned into something worthwhile supporting at home, a winning / entertaining team that will not only satisfy ‘die hards’ like you but also encourage the next generation to support the Blues as we all have done in the past.
Irrelevant analogy. Car buyers have a choice of brand, football fans don’t.
Now who’s making moronic comments?
so you cant choose to support another club ?
It’s not just down to the club to encourage the next generation, us in the here and now have the chance to get the next generation involved.
If the current view is to sit back and see what happens, then why should anyone else commit when those of us with a lifetime of emotion and cash invested into it sit back and wait?
Total agreement Paul they can afford their connection……lol,
I am not a moron, I missed two games all season, one being boxing day, the other because my son lay in hospital in a coma both, games being away.
I will renew my season ticket when I know who will be running BCFC.
I gave Lee Clark the benefit last season thinking he had learnt from the previous season, however he continued to tinker with the team and persistently played players out of position, this cost us a comfortable mid-table finish, along with losing Burn and Bartley, if we had paid the loan fee we could have refused their return under the terms and conditions of loans and all three parties agreeing. .
As for Admin, I still think we are not safe, BIHL who have no money coming in, still have to pay the players wages until June when all contracts terminate. I also think that last seasons season tickets were over priced, just maybe a new owner will look at lower prices, especially if they want to get the fans back inside St Andrews.
Don’t tar all supporters with the same brush, some of us are respectable, successful business people.
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Well said Mark
Paul, you really have to take that ‘Voice of reason’ tag off. I have never heard a well reasoned argument from you yet…. or is it IRONIC?
I hope your son is ok now Chris? Like you, I am waiting to see what develops. Some supporters will renew without question. I respect them for that. Some will not renew at all, and not attend games until the situation is to their satisfaction. I also respect them for that. I am choosing to wait because I want value for money from what I’m purchasing. Lets face it, how many games did we see last season where we could say we had been entertained? Sheffield Weds, Millwall, Forest, Derby, Burnley? I can’t think of many more? And that means my ST cost me £250 per home win or as near as damn it. And just because I am waiting to see what happens, it does not make me any less of a supporter, and even if I didn’t renew, it doesn’t mean I won’t go to games. Of course I will. And I will then be able to take advantage of the offers that many others take advantage of e.g. the last 3 home games for £30? I think we all need to respect that we have different views about the subject and respect each others opinions. I’d rather leave the name calling to other less informed sites?
Couldn’t have put it better Andy, and thanks for asking, my son is on the mend, still under the neurosurgeon but hopefully should have some good news 19th May.
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equally chris i personally wish your son speedy recovery, putting football aside.
Thank you Mark, Just hoping for a result May 19th now.
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If I were a bidder I would have done my homework and looked at recent historic attendances, not just the current sales of season tickets when the club is in flux and has no players.
Im guessing if you were a bidder you would expect Man Utd??
My suspicion about VOR is he is a Viler on the wind up.
Calling fellow Bluenoses Moronic because they disagree with him confirms it..
That’s rich. People who plot against my club would normally be described in harsher terms than moron but I respect Dans site (unlike others who nearly got it closed down)
People do have short memory loss Paul lol well done to Daniel for allowing us to comment on his blog.
I really doubt Clark will be in charge come next season unless BIHL do still have control. Any new investors/owners will look at the league table first and foremost. Despite all the comments regarding Clark’s commitment under the sort of financial constraints not usually found outside UN trade embargoes, the results don’t lie. There’s been a lot of talk all season about him being tactically naive and not knowing his starting eleven and our home record is the worst in Championship history. New owners will want to bring their own man in who they can support financially and with a new back room, Granted they may give LC the opportunity to talk first but unless the takeover is pushed through (given the alleged financial blackhole that is the BIHL accounts) I think we’ll start the season off much the same as we’ve finished the last, with a handful of experienced pros, loanees who may or may not give a toss and academy players making up the numbers. Sad but true. Next season could be tougher than this one, let’s hope not. KRO.
Glad the 3800 fans didnot hold their money back what support…….
No holding the money back for Wembley or the Europa though, oh no.
oh come on Mark, thats poor even for you…. We have at least 2 months to buy a season ticket, where as 3800 fans had about 2 weeks before the match to buy a ticket. Same goes for Wembley Paul…
All im saying is that it makes no sense to buy early. The only reason BIHL is giving any urgency to the sale is because they are skint. If too many people fill their coffers now, then they will just drag the sale process out longer and longer.
Is there any more news on Clark’s rumoured move to Australia?
Yes Andy, it’s not going to happen, not with the Newcastle Jets anyway. They appointed a new head coach yesterday, guy named Stubbins. I don’t think it was ever on and was a case of mistaken identity. They had a coach named Lee Clark up until last year.
Clarke has done his best with the resorces hes had
however i cant get passed the home form and results not good enough
he has to go
this is dans list of players out of contract , gives you a good idea of the scale of things
Twenty-six players are out of contract at the end of the season. Seven of those are loan players – Jordon Ibe, Federico Macheda, Scott Allan, Shane Ferguson, Albert Rusnak, Emyr Huws and Tyler Blackett and a further two – Aaron Martin and Brian Howard are on short-term deals. Of the remaining seventeen, ten have confirmed options – Paul Robinson, Peter Lovenkrands, Olly Lee, Akwasi Asante, Nick Townsend, James Fry, Charlee Adams, Ryan Higgins, Reece Hales and Amari’i Bell – although it’s unclear how many of those options are in the club’s favour. The remaining seven without confirmed options on their contract are Chris Burke, Will Packwood, Koby Arthur, Hayden Mullins, Darren Ambrose, Wade Elliott and Nikola Zigic.
Reece and asante have not been offered anything so there two gone……
Reece brown not on your list??
Also I believe these decisions were made by Clark……who supposedly on his way… Yeah right
I believe Ryan Higgins has been told he can leave
Well done David gold you were bloody right I wonder how many now would fall to your feet having hounded you out out the stans……kro
One thing not mentioned yet is Mr Clark is a Lucky manager. I laugh at just how lucky he is to still be in a job and for keeping Blues up. No doubting his passion but is that enough to take us forward? Could you see him as a top manager in future?
He is a bit like Mr Zigic who divides fans loyalty. Of very limited ability but we all as fans love passion? Look at the stats. Can we afford Clark a rookie manager to make so many mistakes again? He did a job for us but that is what he is paid to do.
Cant believe people are still prepared to give Clark more time, Just ask yourselves was that team selection against Leeds the choice of A Sane and reasonable man, I would suggest not
Lee Clark: Damned if he stays, damned if he goes. BIHL have been the dead-weight both on the pitch and off it, because as I see it, at St Andrews they have done nothing for morale, support, commitment, communication and investment. Playing at home must have felt like pushing water uphill – it must of affected everyone. What’s worse is that when they go, there will be no apology and no admittance of failure. From the sale ‘to’ them – to the sale ‘of’ them, this is nothing short of criminal. Yes we had success during their reign, but at what cost? As for my passion for the Blues, I’m sorry guys but I will be renewing my season ticket without even blinking! That’s me. Supporting through the worst and financially scariest of times isn’t going to be rewarding in the table, but it is when I ask myself ‘what did I do when the proverbial hit the fan?’. If people call me stupid or naive then fine, but they can’t say I’m not a supporter. The next chapter awaits, as does the ten tons of (ahem) to go with it.
I’d call you a great Blues fan mate of which there are many.
Brilliant post
I am not sure when I will renew mine and my son’s Season Ticket, I know I will before the season starts, but think I would prefer to give the money to the new regime.
As far as the price goes, £25m with an investment of £25m on transfers and wages could see us go up and a return of £60m for been in the Premiereship, sounds like a workable deal to me
25m on transfers plus 15m on extra wages , for a club that is already losing 10m a year , you maths aint so good mark.
Great post – at last one with intellect and a reasoned argument!
All this talk about ST renewals. The so called board haven’t even announced the prices yet!!!! They have no idea what so ever how to run a football club.
What great fans we’ve got. Not happy with moaning and threatening this that and the other all season they’re still trying to stop people supporting the club just a few days after a historic win to keep us up. Notice BIH is the current fashionable reason for not renewing/going down etc, funny it was ‘ill never go til Yeungs gone’ before. Course now that has happened they have to find another excuse for deserting the club so now it’s BIH. Not happy with their own desertion they come on the net urging others not to go and still reckon they’re Blues!! Jokers. These people will always find an excuse. Just hope any younger fans who read this site don’t swallow their bile.
did we win ?
you should read what youve typed next time paul , in fact you should always do that paul , and think about pressing delete when youve finished.
what utter garbage you spout. You are the blindest of the blind if you think that just because Carson is still in jail that we are any better off whatsoever (not to mention the fact that he is probably still running things by proxy).
Just because you blindly accept what rubbish you are fed, we dont all have to. Some of us feel that for the long term good of the club, the best way to create change is to starve the people who have sucked this club dry.
Personally, I would have happily supported the club in league one if it meant we had owners who had the clubs best interest at heart. As it happens, we now have a club who are in the championship and are an attractive proposition to anyone as long as they dont get messed about by BIHL trying to scrape more dollars out of the sale, which they would do if they had a bit extra cash to keep them going for a few more weeks.
COME ON PAUL! join us in the real world!
One excuse after another. Keep Right On? Not this lot, Way be long? Let your heart beat strong? Nah. Moan, whinge, boycott. Give in, desert. See Pablos post then compare it to yours. Pablo is Blues you are not.
Sullivan and gold brothers had the club at best heart fans drove them away point taken
No your right mate, troll is a better expression, is there a ignore feature so I don’t have your bile constantly assaulting my eyes
Don’t call me mate
Whatever happened to the voice of reason, As I have already mentioned, I only missed two games all season in all competitions, I followed them to the tune of £3461, without vehicle depreciation, parking, wear and tear, not counting the stops at service stations or meals, drinks before and after a game, nor does that include my season ticket, which was purchased before a ball was kicked.
Don’t tar everyone with the same brush.
BIHL and Carson Yeung have always been the same entity, CY has been sentenced but, my opinion only, he is still calling the shots of both BCFC and BIHL and until BIHL become in the past tense BCFC will never become the club it always was before they drained the life out of.
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Any young fan who had been down watching that rubbish all season wouldn’t want the same punishment again next season, children do have eyes and want to be entertained i have 3 young sons all have had season tickets since they were 5 & the only excitement they had this season was listening to Tom Ross last game when we had to get a result, so we are entitled to say what we think & at least I’ve kept it mild
All season? Yeah ok.
Soz we had 2 half decent games against Sheffield & Milwall well worth the grand i spent on season tickets. think I’ll sleep much easier tonight now you’ve reminded me how good we have been thanks.
2 half decent games all season eh? Hmmm
No Paul. People expected that when CY ‘went’ so did BIH
Personally i can’t understand anybody who has been going to the home games this season would consider keeping a manager who has managed 2 home league wins all season chopped & changed not only the team but the formation and at best the football has been Crap & disorganized, must be the fact he can kick the hoarding and jump into the crowd when we scrape a couple of draws, bet you Clark lovers also think we should have a open top bus as well. If you gave that man 50 million to spend i bet we would be still fighting at the bottom of the championship, trouble is for all his spirit he lacks a football brain. The club needs a clearout board and management level then i will renew my season tickets.
Great summary and a view I very much share.
The so called voice of reason forgets that’s some of us actually want a successful team.Its not a mandatory requirement to attend matches -it’s a personal choice and many supporters have voted with their feet because they are fed up with Clark and his atrocious track record.
Time for a change Paul and I think it will happen sooner rather than later!
Cork City, Mansfield and Notts County away pre season, quality
great news looks like clark returning to Ireland for pre-season with the team , obviously prefers that than Australia good on him………..cheer me up…………..kro
obviously BIH ARE in a massive rush to sell…………..yeah right………..
daniel next chapter pre-season Ireland
Daniel fabulous win by our U21’s against our arch rivals AV in the generation cup…well -done to them….hopefully see some more of them making the step up into our first team…………..kro
some of the higher earners have let the club down……imo
Couldn’t agree more, if they had shown the commitment of some of the loans we would not have struggled like we did.
One thing I do agree with LC is this cannot be allowed to happen again, whereby we become dependent on loans. I have nothing against Bosman signings, can get some decent bargains for a reasonable wage.
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