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Late Night Positivity
Lee Clark has hinted in recent days that he may abandon the thought of bringing in a further player such is his positive impression of the younger players of his squad in pre-season. Demarai Gray, Reece Brown and Koby Arthur have all impressed Clark greatly and have seemingly made claims on staying in his first team squad.
Both Reece Brown and Koby Arthur seemed to drift away from the squad towards the tail end of last season with Arthur loaned out to Lincoln City to get some first team experience, making six appearances for the Imps. It is tough for youngsters to maintain the levels required of them to play in the first team when first starting out their professional careers and with Blues teetering on the brink of relegation prior to Caddis saving us on the final day both fell away from first team reckoning.
What I am hopeful of is that Clark has learned an important lesson from last year – that loaning Premier League youngsters is no guarantee of talent and that if we are going to throw youngsters in at the deep end we might as well blood our own players. I’m a big believer in developing our own players – from a financial standpoint alone it makes sense to create new assets by playing your own kids when a team is short of bodies – and I hope Clark realises that it makes more sense too. I’d rather have seen Packwood given time than Thorpe; I’d rather have seen Bell get time than Blackett and Brown than Rusnak; for some reason Clark didn’t trust in them and I am curious as to why considering just how poor some of the loanees were – particularly Tyler Blackett.
I’m heading up to Mansfield on Saturday for what feels like the first Blues game I’ve witnessed in a long time and it will be interesting to see how well we do. Our brethren from across the expressway actually went behind to the Stags on Thursday night before they came back to win 3-1; it suggests that maybe the Field Mill outfit won’t be the easy pushovers one would expect – but maybe a second game in quick succession will be too much for them. I’m looking forward to seeing a whole host of new players that I’ve not seen before – and maybe a run out from one or two of the younger players that have so lit up training.
I’m excited for the game – and for the new season – and I have this feeling that maybe we will avoid a relegation dogfight. The noises I keep hearing from within the club are positive; the team are happy, the manager is happy and the backroom side of things is ticking over nicely. There seems to be an urge to just ignore the crap from the far east and the takeover and I’m beginning to think that might be the right idea – nothing is going to happen soon so why worry about it? The club has enough money to last out the season easily from what I hear, so if things take a little while to be sorted out maybe it’s not the end of the world – one has to hope that anyway.
Tags: Demarai Gray, Koby Arthur, Lee Clark, Mansfield Town, Reece Brown
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Maybe Clark’s reasons for playing premiership loanee in his wisdom they were better than our young players….the three you just mentioned know they need to step up to the plate giving that Clark will give them opportunity, they must take it with both hands. Kro
Or maybe he felt they were not ready at the time……
Nicely put Dan.
We cannot have much influence regarding any take over but we can help the team with vocal support.
It was a little strange that LC looked at loans rather our own talent and I did feel sorry for them, they were thrown into the fray and, though naive, they gave their all for the team, unlike some of the more seasoned players and loanees.
I am looking forward to the Mansfield game and getting a first glimpse of the new lads, I think it will be a tougher challenge to both Cork and Forest Green.
As you say, the vibes from within the club are all positive so hopefully a good start and killing our home record should see us hold our own this season.
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I am always advocate of seeing our own players, if they are good enough play them ….
Look like Clark will start with 4321 at Mansfield it will be the third time if he does? No tinkering there….
He hasn’t lost yet Mark.Lets wait and see.
LC has got a lot of players at his disposal now and I hope he can settle on 15 or so core players with others vying to break into the team. I do worry with Clark tinkering with the team unnecessarily. The important thing is to get the defence sorted ASAP. If you don’t concede you don’t lose. From the games so far it looks like LC is going to play 4231. I hope he plays Edgar and Adeyemi in front of the defence and Gleeson further forward. It will be interesting to see how he uses the youngsters this season. One thing LC is correct with is we don’t need any more players.
There is definitely a buzz around St Andrews itself at the moment. Went to the Club shop today and there were long queues to buy the new shirt and tickets.
i wonder who’s shirt gonna be popular this season? just let you know i got Clark on back of mine lol
You’ll be easy to spot then.
Haha! Mark, you should definitely be on the stage…… the next one leaves in 20 minutes. ;)
Why? Is your last name Clark?
Just looked at the pics of fans in the new kit, and I must say they should pick better looking examples.
Both adults look like malformed dwarfs unless its the camera angle surely they could find taller less rotund individuals for these shots.
There’ll be you and BluenoseKev both looking the same then I guess.
Never known such a crush as Kev’s got on LC! ;)
Quality always thought some else like him too lol
I forgot about the so called take over ages ago, whatever happens will happen be it next week, next month or next year. I’m far more interested in the football side of things, I don’t support BIH, I support BIRMINGHAM CITY!!!!!!!!!!! KRO.
Amen to that!
LC loaned the young Prem players last season simply that on paper they were more gifted than the BCFC teens and that was the only ‘market’ he could work in. I think what surprised him was the application from some of the young Prem players as some thought they were already big players and that playing for BCFC was beneath them – cue the comments from Robbo.
as things stand we are top of the league, the championship is made up of teams who are much alike, if a kid is good enough, he is old enough, i saw the francis début,
i don’t really understand why people think a flat back 4 with 2 protecting midfield players is the way to go,
got to be honest i prefer the sweeper system with a high back line,
and there is no reason it can’t work against a lone striker or two up top.
but lets hope whatever system is used, the players play for the shirt and the fans support the players wearing the shirt, 3-0 up or 3-0 down.
The problem is Ian,i,m not sure if the kids are good enough.I know it was tough last season,but i personally don’t think they impressed.
I have to be honest, but the kids didn’t impress me much last season either. They did ok when they first came in, but soon faded. But, Lee Clark did warn about it happening. Same with the young players who came in on loan. Even Huws seemed to fade in the last few games, until he was injured.
I think it was a culture shock for the prem players staffs.Maybe if Huws and Ibe did come back for next season they will know what to expect.
I certainly think last season has added to their experience. But, I hope that’s the last we’ve seen of loan players (Hall excepted.) I think the squad is big enough to cope now, without the ‘luxury’ of loan players.
This season they will be better for the experience, they were thrown in at the deep end and though they didn’t set the league alight they put in a decent showing, better than some seasoned pro’s did.
Reports are certainly positive that they are impressive in training and friendlies, this means that, hopefully, LC won’t need to waste resources in the loan market until January. By then we would like to be pushing in the top half of the table.
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4-2-3-1 is fine away from home, as was proved last season, but I would hope for a more attacking formation at home… 4-4-2 or 3-5-2. I’d be disappointed not to see both wingers and two strikers at home.
He desperately needs to get the home performances right this season. This is the only way to keep the fans onside and hopefully,a few more through the gates.
Absolutely agree. We have to turn St Andrews into a fortress again.. it’s been a long time coming.
I,m not expecting great things this season Staffs,and i,m not expecting to win every home game. More than anything this season,i want to be entertained. The last couple of seasons have been dross.
There was far too much fighting fires last season for it to be entertaining… and that wasn’t all down to Clark. There were a lot of individual mistakes (especially among so-called experienced pros) that left us with too much to do in a lot of matches. I’m hoping those errors will be (mostly) eradicated this season. At least that will give us a fighting chance.
I think Clark used what bit of leeway he had, money wise, as best he could, but it meant too many loan players. It wasn’t his fault, that’s just the best he could do with the pennies in his pocket. This season, with all the big salaries gone, he’s had a bit more wriggle room with wages and brought in players who are ours. Let’s see what difference that has made.
Agree Steve but I am expecting to win more than two home games this time round, especially looking at the personal he has bought in.
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Totally agree that at home he needs to get the fans excited and the only way to do that is to attack. He keeps on about the “High-line & High Tempo” but you can’t do that with a lone striker.
To be honest with two wingers he could probably play 3-5-2 away too, get the goals then revert back to 4-2-3-1 to close the game up.
It is time for LC to walk-the-walk now, he has the players at his disposal this season and cover for any eventualities, injuries or suspensions.
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I think Edgar will make us more versatile this season. He can play holding midfield, but also drop back to help out at centre back or right back. He could be a vital cog for us.
Lee Clark talks about formations in the BM this morning. Looks like he intends playing with 2 up front this season. It’s being hampered atm though, with only having 2 fit strikers (Donaldson and Thomas.)
How far off is Matt Green? Maybe he could look at the loan market for a short term.
I just hope he does what he keeps on about, high tempo and high line, he said that last season but rarely delivered. I know he was hampered with loans, injuries and suspensions, but he shouldn’t have that excuse this season.
Gutted the game tomorrow has been called off, was really looking forward to seeing the lads for the first time, have to wait for the County game now as I am in London for the Kidders game.
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Matt Green, between 4 and 5 weeks away.
Thanks staffs, we still have Novak who can play striker if Donaldson and Thomas don’t hit the ground running.
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Novak out with a knock. So we only have two fit strikers at. I think the Mansfield game being called off has done us a favour in the long run…at least the likes of Novak and Robbo should be back for the next game.
Well that is a blessing, just short of matches.
So I don’t see the harm in both clubs just playing a closed doors friendly or was it Mansfields idea to get it called of due to them having such a small squad?
No one can argue with the police if they say the have intelligence…well…. where is the evidence?
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Apparently, Lee Clark is arranging a full scale practice match involving the whole squad. I’d love to be there for that.
Not the same as a competitive game though, too much larking about to take it serious, he can have those games any day at Waste Hills. I know they are professionals but with nothing at stake it is really hard to play against your mates and not back out of a tackle.
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I think it’s a full-scale practice match Chris. I can’t see Clark standing for that sort of bollox. They need a competitive game to make up for Mansfield.
I remember when I played though,it was never the same, no matter how much we tried. You can’t beat pitting your wits against another player being competitive.
If I was LC I’d invite mansfield down to Waste Hills for a kick about tomorrow, keep under wraps and just let Tatts know before kick off.
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I think the main difference though Chris, is that every player is playing for a place in the First XI on 9th August. If that’s not incentive enough, they shouldn’t be there. Just my opinion of course.
I see your point Staffs and yes that has to be an incentive but again from experience the lads will already know their standing regards pecking order.
They may still be in with an outside chance but it is still hard to be competitive in these games, they don’t want to risk injury or injuring a teammate.
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Lee Clark has stated that every place is up for grabs… so they have to believe him I think.
Yes Staffs, but like me you could probably pick LC’s starting XI with maybe one or two players vying for a couple of places.
In general the starting XI will more than likely be as squad numbers go with maybe Adeyemi in the mix, depending on which formation he goes with.
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I think the hardest pick will be centre midfield. Perm any 2 from Adeyemi, Gleeson, Edgar, Caddis. I don’t think Shinnie, Reilly, Lee or Spector are quite up to the job.
I just hope he doesn’t try and fit Rielly in at left back again, he did his best but he isn’t a fullback.
Not sure about Shinnie, he might be a different player this season now he has settled South of the border, but I think the latter two will find selection difficult and could be loaned out for the best part.
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There’s no need to put Reilly anywhere but CM this season. We have Grounds, Hancox and Amari’i Bell to cover left back this time.
Yea, but this is Lee clark we are talking… :-)
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He was a little desperate last season, trying to fit poor players into holes that were leaking. Sure, it didn’t come off… but it could have. He should have no such problems this season.
I see Albert Rusnak could be going to Dutch club SC Cambuur. Not such a great prospect for Man City after all then.
Didn’t do much for me, I think he was one that Robbo was hinting at.
Hopefully all leaks have been plugged and we can sail the Championship ocean on an even keel this season.
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If blues can easily last the season out ,and we can still spend £5,000 per week wages ,then its time to make a bid for one or two of the best young under age players to make up for the ones that’s been poached of us,.as much as I hate this poaching game these youngsters do need replacing_Barcelona has half of their first team making the grade in the first team ,but barca has about 100 times more drawing capability than blues ,so blues will have to only go for the youngsters that are physically and skilfully talented ,no 5 feet players like messi to gamble on ,and go for strikers mainly as they are the most expensive to replace for the ready made player,and blues will need to pay a good wage for the age ,to give the youngster the added attraction of an early chance in the first team ,plus the good wage for his maturity,
I bet Matt Green is gutted to miss the Mansfield game. It might not be an easy game though.. they took the lead, then were holding the Vile until the last 5 minutes the other night. Villa were playing 4-2-3-1 first half, then switched to 3-4-1-2 in the second half.
I bet in some ways he possible is staffs….I would rather have a super fit firing on all cylinders, then a chance he breaks down again…I sure we will see the best of
Matt this season…….
I have to say the staff in the background are doing an incredible job, I ordered 2 shirts yesterday, for me and my son and they were delivered at 07:30 this morning, they also look a lot better than the pictures on the web, you can’t get better service than that
News on BCFC. The game against Mansfield tomorrow has been cancelled!! Reasons are to do with “risk assessment by Nottinghamshire Police.”
http://www.bcfc.com/news/article/20140718-mansfield-town-v-blues-cancelled-1767019.aspx
Strange considering they played Viler last night. Then again we do have a decent away following.
Someone bottled somewhere. Strange how they left it until the last minute, when the game was arranged weeks ago, that’s given the coppers plenty of time to call it off. How can there be any excuse for that? It’s too late for Lee Clark to arrange another game instead.
Pity really it jack knife Clark’s plans gearing up the players to match practise….. Maybe they can only get five coppers out the rest are on holiday lol
Mansfield has 5 coppers? :-O That’s 3 more than the last time I went. ;)
Its a family orientated town, they only have PCSOs and neighbourhood watch schemes :-)
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… and twitching curtains. :-)
Apparently the police had been told of a hooligan threat.The extra police cost made the game too costly.
Alternatively, as both teams are in the same boat, play behind close doors.
Have to agree with the timing though, where were the alleged hooligan element from? Went to enough away games last season and never saw any trouble, unless you call over-exuberant stewards at Sheffield Hooliganism. Oh! and one idiot at Blackpool.
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Strange how the Vile were allowed to play there a few days ago with no problems.
I think they are clutching at straws with the hooligan story, Mansfield didn’t realise that they had arranged two games so close together at home and haven’t taken the costs into consideration.
It is disappointing to say the least. I bet they still have to pay the officials fees, hope BCFC look for compensation.
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A Nottinghamshire Police spokeswoman said: “We have advised Mansfield FC and Birmingham FC about intelligence which could affect public safety. This is not in keeping with the ethos of a ‘friendly’ nor appropriate for the family-oriented town of Mansfield.”
So it’s aimed at Blues’ fans then?
Can’t see where we get the hooligan element from, as I said never saw any from the 21 away games I went too and we had some pretty large crowds away from home.
BCFC should look to Nottinghamshire Police force for substantial compensation. They didn’t just get that information this today. It also puts Blues supporters in a very bad light, and unjustified in my opinion.
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Couldn’t agree more. It was the “This is not in keeping with the ethos of a ‘friendly’ nor appropriate for the family-oriented town of Mansfield” bit that irked me, that has to be aimed at Bluenoses.
If our players respond in a similar way as our Ladies did on Wednesday we will not go far wrong. Sunday they were frankly pathetic and lost 5-0 at home to Bristol. 3 days later they played the same Team and fully deserved their 2-1 win. Tactics were spot and delivered to the letter…defending from the front and hassling all over the pitch until we got the ball back. Formations are fine but at the end of the day the aim should be to get as many forward as possible when attacking and as many back as possible when defending. If there is a hole, fill it; be it in attack, midfield or defence. This is successful for the Ladies (top of the league)…so why not the men?
Tyler Blackett has made Man U’s 25 man squad to tour the USA, so he may not be as bad as most Bluenoses believe.
My guess, is that they’ll do the same as most premier clubs, assess him on tour, then send him out on loan again. Maybe a season’s loan in the Championship or League 1. There’s no way he’s up to premier level.
Going on performances for us I wouldn’t put him in my local pub team.
He definitely wasn’t ready and I’m not sure he will make it at Man U.
He looked comfortable on the ball going forward, but defending he was all at sea.
Good luck to the guy, he needs a lot more games in the lower divisions to get his confidence levels up.
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If the World Cup players are not going,maybe they’re having to make up the numbers.
now we have got the players in who would u play? in what position and what formation? I like the idea someone said earlier Edgar and Adeyemi in front of the back 4 but not at home surely
I’ve tried about 3 or 4 different formations and personnel so far… but, whatever formation, I’d put Edgar in front of the back four. Maybe a 4-1-3-2.
Doyle
Eardley Hall Robinson Hancox
Edgar
Duffy Gleeson Cotterill
Donaldson Thomas
If we are looking at full backs to drive on and supports the wingers then on what I saw last season Eardley is going to be a big disappointment.
I hope the other players who regard joining BCFC as a big step up don’t rest on their laurels and think they are big time Charlie’s which is my perception of Shinnie from last season.
Have to agree about Shinnie. For me, he was the biggest disappointment of all last season’s incoming players. At no time did he ever convince me he was up to this level. I think he’s League 1 at best.
I don’t think they will be “Big Time Charlies” on the wages they have been offered, reports state some were offered more at other clubs.
We need someone to stay back and I can see Eardley doing that, we should have enough in midfield to link the play to the wide boys, my worry is he does appear to lack pace if we do play the high line.
I never got the impression of Shinnie being Big Time, he struggled to settle in the big city, which I can understand as I have moved a few times.
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The team will never be successful until we get owners who are committed to the club and are prepared to invest for the future.
Current owners have no respect for the club or it’s supporters and operate under a “brace and belters ” policy so how can anyone expect the team to do well this season?
Art, it is a new season and I expect the team to do well at the beginning of every season as I have for the last 50+years.
However, we all know that it never goes to plan. LC has given himself a fighting chance by bringing in his own players, not big name charlies, not on excessive wages, but for some strange reason they want to play for LC and the club, that has to be 100% improvement to last seasons squad.
Give LC and the guys a chance before going all doom and gloom.
There will plenty of time for that when the season kicks off, and I hope that the current bunch prove everyone wrong.
Take the Championship by storm, Promoted by Christmas and undefeated after 46 games, win both cups and still some supporters will moan.
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Clark must have something about him to keep convincing players to come to the club… it certainly ain’t for the money. Also, in the 2 years he’s been here, I can’t recall one player who’s had a bad word for him.
I agree with that but did anyone ever interview Scott Allen…. He must have been a real bad lad to spend so much time in exile :-)
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I think that if you watched him, especially in the Wigan game, he just didn’t have the application. He lost the ball so many times it was untrue. His reaction seemed to just be a shrug of the shoulders. I think this is the lad’s problem. Attitude.
Definitely, LC mentioned that in one of his interviews, not mentioned by name but when his name was mentioned. LC can be diplomatic and it was a pity he couldn’t off load him, it hampered his options.
Still, we won’t have that problem this season, seems like a committed bunch.
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Fair points, I reckon.
However, I think if the club had owners who knew anything about football and at least pretended to care about BCFC, Lee Clark would have been down the road some time ago, especially given Blues’ utterly atrocious and deeply embarrassing home record over the last two seasons.
Those are fair points too… but for me, it’s now in the past. This season is all I’m focussed on, not what’s gone.
We can’t alter the past and we have little or no influence over the future ownership. The only thing we can have some effect is by getting behind the team, being vocal and creating an atmosphere that sends the opposition a tremble. Something that has happened at St Andrews for a few seasons now, we need the noise and atmosphere the few thousand created at Bolton.
LC has assembled a group of players who want to play for him and the club, the club being us the supporters.
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Demarai Gray and Gavin Gunning scored in a 1-1 draw yesterday. It was treated as a full friendly apparently. It shows that, hopefully, there are goals throughout the squad.
Somehow I’m not overly concerned that we won’t score goals this season. Last season all talk was where the goals were coming from, but LC seems to have addressed all areas.
Admittedly we are short in that area, but we still have Novak and Green should be fit early in the season, we have height for set pieces and depth in midfield, so I’m not worried this season.
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As long as defenders do what they’re paid for, I don’t mind them coming up for the odd corner or free kick. :-)
Worked well with Barley and Burn, as long as they score more than they concede will do me :-)
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I don’t think many will argue with those sentiments, but, surely you’re willing to give Clark and the new boys a chance to show what they can do this season? We can all speculate, but not one of us, not even the manager, knows how we’ll do in the coming season… but that’s the beauty of the game.
Nothing would please me more than to see the team and Clark do well this season and believe me I will be the first to congratulate Clark for his leadership,passion and commitment.
I think that’s fair. it’s all Clark and the squad can ask for, a chance.
It seems Lee Clark has shelved plans to bring in a left winger (unless someone special crops up.) It’s solely down to the efforts of Demarai Gray and Koby Arthur. It looks like they’ll be earmarked as cover for the wide positions. Well done those lads.
I liked Demarai when he played and I think the experience will have done him good and give him confidence.
I was surprised Koby didn’t feature more, he was a breath of fresh air when he first appeared, maybe he thought he had made it, being loaned out will help him too.
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It’s like a lot of managers say, when a young player first gets into the first team, they’re running on adrenalin for the first few games, then they run out of steam. I think we saw that with Gray, Arthur and Brown. That’s the time to take them out and do a bit more developing. That’s exactly what Clark did. That’s good management of young players.
Blimey… you think we’ve got it bad. Jose Riga’s future is in doubt at Blackpool already. He’s only been there 5 weeks. Also, Jolean Lescott is unsettled at Albion after just 28 days. The (footy) world has gone mad!
its true blackpool are right in the poo,but it pains me to say that the baggies have just spent 10m on a player.We might struggle to get together 10 cans of irn bru as compo for that kid from Celtic.
As for Lescott if he thinks that only spending 10m on a player shows a lack of investment , then i think he should go back to man city and sit on the bench for a couple more years.
Spot on!
Jordon Ibe set up both Liverpool goals in a 2-1 win at Preston. Doubtful we’ll see him down StAns again this season.
It is noted that kidders game with be all ticket so if going get your ticket in advance. Looks like blues are taking reasonable following ….
Well done to Lee by throwing down the challenge to the young lads about the left side situation within our side……trying to get our young players to improve themselves……
In the BM this morning, Blues played a 19 year-old Celtic striker (recommended by Thompson) on trial in the practice match yesterday.
Just watched a goal he scored for Celtic U20’s on Youtube, looks a skillful player too, left two defenders bedazzled.
Evidently Celtic want to acquire a compensation settlement through a tribunal, which could scupper any plans for Blues.
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Will be interesting to see what a fee tribunal would fix.
It scared Dundee off after they went to a tribunal for a lesser player, they wanted Johnson too.
Maybe Thompson left with a good relationship but given his record I doubt it, so not much influence apart from with the player in that department.
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They must think there’s a chance, or why bother giving him a trial? I suppose it’s another case of wait and see.
Maybe another rummage down the sofa is in order, see how much BIHL do really want to show they care, I am not holding my breath though.
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I’m not sure, but aren’t tribunal set fees usually on the low side… kind of in favour of the buying club? Crystal Palace fell foul of that a few years ago
Not sure but Dundee paid more than they offered for a Rangers development player and were not prepared to take the risk on another player of the same level.
I think it is a chance you take, Celtic were the ones demanding a tribunal, so maybe it works differently in Scotland.
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